New Astartes Smash Captain (Terminator Edition)

[L30n1d4s]

With the new SM Codex and all the rules, Stratagems, WL Traits, etc., I think Blood Angels might have a Challenger for the best "Smash Captain" variant:

 

-Take a Captain in Terminator Armor with Storm Shield/Thunder Hammer with "Master-Crafted" Relic for +1D (sot D4)

 

-Have this Captain taken from a White Scars Successor Chapter with the "Hungry for Battle" and "Tactical Withdrawal" Traits (so, +1" to Advance/Charge rolls and also can Fall back and Charge the same turn)

 

-Give the Captain the "The Imperium's Sword" WL Trait (gives you +1A/+1S on the charge and the ability to re-roll charge distances) and then take a second WL Trait from the White Scars Supplement, "Chogorian Storm" (gives +D3 attacks on the charge)

 

-Drop down Turn 2, use the White Scars Strat to roll 3D6, pick the highest two for the charge distance which, alongside the Chapter Trait and ability to re-roll charge distances, means you have a very solid chance of  making that 9" charge.

 

-Once you have made that charge, the "Smash Captain" has 4A (base) + 1A (Shock Assault) +1A (Imperium's Sword WL Trait) +D3A (Chogorian Storm WL Trait) = between 7-9 x S10 AP-3 D4 attacks. If you use the new Space Marine Strat that gives a Terminator unit +1 to Hit, then all those attacks hit on a 2+, re-rolling 1s, so on average rolls you would have 8 successful hits.  Against an Imperial Knight, that means you would make 5-6 wounds and 4-5 Unsaved Wounds.... at D4 each, that is between 16-20 damage total on the Knight, even without using Honour the Chapter to fight a second time. If you end up charging that same Imperial Knight on turn 3 and have the Assault Doctrine on (i.e. -1AP to his TH), then the Smash Captain has an average of 8 attacks, 7-8 hits, 5-6 wounds, 5-6 Unsaved Wounds, and 20-24 total damage inflicted on the Knight, all just fighting one time!

 

There are other ways to refine this even more (i.e. add a Librarian to cast "ride the Storm" on the TDA Captain and give him an additional 2" to his charge for an even more guaranteed charge), but overall I think this White Scars Successor "Smash Captain" will be quite deadly in the competitive scene.

[Cryptix]

I'm fairly certain the two warlord traits stratagem is ultramarines specific. There's a stratagem to give another character a different warlord traits in the generic codex, which is what you might be confusing it for.

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

White scars have tempered by wisdom which allows them to generate a second one for 1 cp. I think out of the 16 stratagems in supplements there will be overlap.

 

I also think the white scars supplement is getting a little less attention then it deserves because of lack primaris bikes/no primarch.

[SkimaskMohawk]

Worth being said that if you're playing mono-subfaction to get the scars doctrine bonus, that hammer gets another point of damage on turn 3. So that's 25-30 wounds

[Maxamato]

But why in TDA?

And not with Jump Pack?

[L30n1d4s]

Because, number one, better survivability against massed attacks with no AP, number two, free access to Deep Strike, and, number three, most importantly, you only can use the +1 to Hit Stratagem (to off-set the -1 to hit from the TH) if the unit has the Astartes and Terminator key words.

[Maxamato]

I see, the Stratagem is the main reason.

But free accsess to deep strike you get with Jump Pack too.

[Volt]

Don't think this would work because the stratagem doesn't give you a specific warlord trait but has you roll a d6 to generate another one to add to a white scars character.

[SkimaskMohawk]

I don't have the scars supplement so it might be a bit different, but the ultramarine one lets you pick. The only caveat is that you have to reroll a duplicate if you roll randomly 

[Acebaur]

Don't think this would work because the stratagem doesn't give you a specific warlord trait but has you roll a d6 to generate another one to add to a white scars character.

 

 

Yes it does. It only says that if you did randomly roll, you re-roll duplicates

 

As for the OP, I think this is a solid choice, but just keep in mind that he will be slow because TDA is well, slow :p

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

Acebaur is right on the slow part, smash captains were great because of how mobile they were after the first charge. The added toughness is relevant and depending on your tastes may make up for it.

[CCE1981]

I think the White Scars Relic bike would be a better option, you ignore terrain, and other models, have a 16” move, and toughness 5. That is also a 22” Advance, with re-roll charge for a first turn Charge.

 

Warlord traits: The Imperium’s Sword and Hunter’s Instincts - yes you lose d3 attacks but you hit and wound Monster’s and Vehicles on 2’s. Against a vast majority of infantry you wound on 2’s as well.

[ERJAK]

Biggest problem with terminator armor is that you you actually get to charge something every other turn at best. Plus, that captain is what...140pts because of the Thammer?

[Maxamato]

I feel that the Biker version is more viable, unfortunatly it hasn't fly.

[One Two Wolf]

Surely you can't put two WL traits on one model. And if you can (with some broke as strat) there is no way its worth it for one turn of smashy. Still a very interesting combo of buffs however.

[CCE1981]

Surely you can't put two WL traits on one model. And if you can (with some broke as strat) there is no way its worth it for one turn of smashy. Still a very interesting combo of buffs however.

Both White Scars and Ultramarines Supplements have a Stratagem for 1 CP to give your actual Warlord a second Warlord trait. (Note: in the main Codex you can give a second Character a Warlord trait.)

[One Two Wolf]

 

Surely you can't put two WL traits on one model. And if you can (with some broke as strat) there is no way its worth it for one turn of smashy. Still a very interesting combo of buffs however.

Both White Scars and Ultramarines Supplements have a Stratagem for 1 CP to give your actual Warlord a second Warlord trait. (Note: in the main Codex you can give a second Character a Warlord trait.)

Wowsers. Eggs and baskets much. Thanks for clarifying my mistake.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

It’s awesome and I plan to use it.

[SkimaskMohawk]

 

 

Surely you can't put two WL traits on one model. And if you can (with some broke as strat) there is no way its worth it for one turn of smashy. Still a very interesting combo of buffs however.

Both White Scars and Ultramarines Supplements have a Stratagem for 1 CP to give your actual Warlord a second Warlord trait. (Note: in the main Codex you can give a second Character a Warlord trait.)

Wowsers. Eggs and baskets much. Thanks for clarifying my mistake.

Compared to lists that pour cp into a model or unit to help decide games? If you can negate that threat with the bike version and a turn 1 charge, or conservative play for a turn 2/3 with the terminator/jump version it'll be worth it.

[CCE1981]

White Scars bike Captain

Thunderhammer + Stormshield

Reilc - Wrath of Heavens

Warlord trait - Chogorian Storm + The Imperium’s Sword

 

16” move + 6” Advance ignore terrain + Models

Re-roll Charge

4(base) + 1(Charge) + 1(Imperium’s Sword) + d3 (Chogorian Storm) = 7-9 attacks

Str 10, Damage 3 / 4(after turn 3 min)

T5, 6 wounds, 3+, 3++

 

Spending your Warlord, 1 CP, and 138 pts.

[IronDreddKnight]

[Captain Idaho]

Could make that a Cataphractii Captain for added survivability alongside a gun and melee weapon.

[Charlo]

White Scars bike Captain

Thunderhammer + Stormshield

Reilc - Wrath of Heavens

Warlord trait - Chogorian Storm + The Imperium’s Sword

 

16” move + 6” Advance ignore terrain + Models

Re-roll Charge

4(base) + 1(Charge) + 1(Imperium’s Sword) + d3 (Chogorian Storm) = 7-9 attacks

Str 10, Damage 3 / 4(after turn 3 min)

T5, 6 wounds, 3+, 3++

 

Spending your Warlord, 1 CP, and 138 pts.

Good lord.

[crazyterran]

I dunno Idaho, once you have a stormshield I would say the survivability is about the same most of the time as if you had TDA.

[quasistellar]

Regarding Cataphractii, I believe the idea is you can have a gun as well as melee weapon, not that it really makes you more survivable (same 3++). If you’re going the terminator route it’d be a good choice since you’re less mobile.