What would you like to see in a World Eaters codex?

[EL_duderino]

 

Teeth of Khorne were basically just Havocs, but if you wanted to make them a unique datasheet, what kind if changes would you make?

I would give them access to only dakka weapons and give them a rule like the orks.

[Dr_Ruminahui]

Personally, I think berzerkers should get some sort of flamer or flame pistol squad option - I always found it strange that, with their chant "maim, burn, kill!", they had no way of burning anything.

[Khornestar]

Definitely juggernaut riders. HQ units, elites... hell, troops. :P Also daemon weapons.

[Special Officer Doofy]

Realistically they would not get alot, it would be like the Thousand Sons. Couple new units, lots of CSM overlay, but the Daemon Prince won't be nearly as good and instead of three psychic pools and two spells they get none haha.

 

I would like to see a legion trait that is army wide to match the new SM's, new berserker models (with enough bits to do 10 pistols or 10 Axes, but kits with all the available options are long in the past now), maybe terminators that specialize in melee and flamers (stealing Dr. R's suggestion). Slaughterbrute. Maybe another melee Daemon engine.

 

I will say I hope World Eaters and Emperor's Children get their own codex before the other 5 get any supplements. It only feels natural with the mono God legions having their own.

[Iron Father Ferrum]

Since new subfaction Traits are multipart, what changes/additions to their Legion Trait would we see? +1 attack on the charge plus fall back & charge?

[Special Officer Doofy]

Fall back and charge would be nice. I'm down for anything that let's them fight harder or get into combat easier.

[Khornestar]

I could go for +1” charge distance.

[Marshal Loss]

I'd prefer something that kept them in combat as opposed to falling back & charging (doesn't seem very Khornate). Perhaps a rule that gave them a chance to charge back in if a unit attempted to fall back from combat with a World Eaters unit? To represent them hurling themselves at their opponents in a frothing rage as they try to flee.

[Khornate individual]

I'd prefer something that kept them in combat as opposed to falling back & charging (doesn't seem very Khornate). Perhaps a rule that gave them a chance to charge back in if a unit attempted to fall back from combat with a World Eaters unit? To represent them hurling themselves at their opponents in a frothing rage as they try to flee.

That or something like Skarbrand that doesn't allow units to leave combat (if that rule hasn't been nerfed on him)

[MegaVolt87]

I'd prefer something that kept them in combat as opposed to falling back & charging (doesn't seem very Khornate). Perhaps a rule that gave them a chance to charge back in if a unit attempted to fall back from combat with a World Eaters unit? To represent them hurling themselves at their opponents in a frothing rage as they try to flee.

 

Chance to charge a unit that falls back, charge a unit that fails its charge sounds more Khorne for sure. 

[Trevak Dal]

I could go for +1” charge distance.

Or run and then charge.

[Khornestar]

For sure, I just assumed "they" wouldn't give WE the same trait as renegades. Let's make it +2" since nobody's shooting much (other than at the World Eaters).

Edited August 30, 2019 by Juggernut

[Daemon Prince Marbas]

What I would like to see in a codex is Devourers, Red Butchers, a new Khorne Daemon Engine, Berzerkers with 3d6 charge drop the lowest die roll, rules for a World Eaters Daemon Prince, Angron, updated Khârn rules, and the inability for enemies to fall back from combat.

[SanguinaryGuardsman]

1.  some mechanic to assault after disembarkation.  

 

2. access to Transhuman Physiology

 

3. a fight twice stratagem that works on vehicles/hellbrutes etc

 

4. a 3d6 charge stratagem

 

5. unique prayers for dark apostles

[General Strike]

1. some mechanic to assault after disembarkation.

 

2. access to Transhuman Physiology

 

3. a fight twice stratagem that works on vehicles/hellbrutes etc

 

4. a 3d6 charge stratagem

 

5. unique prayers for dark apostles

This plus Angron, Red Butchers, and plastic unique drop pods

[Papewaio]

Contrary to popular opinion, I don't want Red Butchers. They're a remnant of the 30k Legion, and the World Eaters are a splintered, disparate force - I want to see what the Butchers have turned into. Give me new Beserker Terminators, drunk on worship to the Blood God, give me unique and terrifying melee weaponry, maybe some nice ranged options.

 

But don't give me ported 30k gear. That was from then, and if you really want it then there's the Forge World Index. Give me something that shows what the last ten thousand years of madness and bloodshed have done the Twelfth, and those that they took into their ranks.

 

Also, the codex absolutely MUST have (in no particular order, mind):

- Killing;

- Maiming;

- Burning.

[Doomchild]

1.  some mechanic to assault after disembarkation.  

 

2. access to Transhuman Physiology

 

3. a fight twice stratagem that works on vehicles/hellbrutes etc

 

4. a 3d6 charge stratagem

 

5. unique prayers for dark apostles

 

1. I could see a rule (or strategem) about assaulting after disembarking where the unit that uses it takes D6 S4 hits to emulate the charging unit pushing/trampling eachother to get out of the transport and into combat quickly. would reflect the WE savagery.

 

2. resilience is more of a DG/Nurgle thing. how about making it so if you pass morale check after combat, your losses count as a morale penalty for the opposing unit

 

4. only if it came with a handicap like getting hit on 5+ in overwatch, it's a reeckless charge after all

[Trevak Dal]

I say "red butchers" as a better name for Berserker Terminators.

[Excessus]

 

2. resilience is more of a DG/Nurgle thing. how about making it so if you pass morale check after combat, your losses count as a morale penalty for the opposing unit

 

Resilience used to be a Khorne thing as well back in the day, with better saves with chaos armour or FnP due to their complete disregard for injuries.

[Sgt. Blank]

I'm not that convinced there will be a codex, honestly. It's been rumored for several editions and I'm not getting my hopes up.

 

From a design standpoint, I do think it's challenging to fill out options for all the force org slots within the Worldeaters concept without fundamentally altering it. I'm not arguing "Worldeaters = berzerkers." but I've had opponents contend that Predators don't belong in a Worldeaters detachment, so I'm not sure what direction they can take without running into that sentiment.

 

That said, I had fun with Khorne Daemonkin in the previous edition and hope for some sort of mechanic like Blood for the Blood God, which offered some tactical flexibility (FnP, summoning, deny psychics). I found it kept me in games when I took casualties closing into melee and forced opponents to give a bit of thought to what to shoot. The list had a much more 2nd ed. vibe with the mix of daemons and marines (admittedly, not exactly Worldeaters). I also would like to see a truly effective melee artifact for Khornate marines to wield; Axe of Blind Fury used to be a great equalizer and it's current incarnation is pretty lackluster.

[Trevak Dal]

Yeah I am as doubtful about a World Eater book as I am about my manager actually coming in Tuesday night/Wednesday morning and grilling me and my team steaks. (Nightshift and Fuel center get forgotten a lot at grocery stores. We hear lots of mouth-noise but nothing of substance ever comes of it.)

[Kite Senet]

From a design standpoint, I do think it's challenging to fill out options for all the force org slots within the Worldeaters concept without fundamentally altering it. I'm not arguing "Worldeaters = berzerkers." but I've had opponents contend that Predators don't belong in a Worldeaters detachment, so I'm not sure what direction they can take without running into that sentiment.

 

 

To be fair, this same argument could easily be applied to the other cult legions as well. Look at the Thousand Sons: they added a bunch of new units in the Tzaangors, but...they really don't *feel* like they belong in the Thousand Sons, by popular sentiment. They built the DG I think in a way that works with the idea you mention, by pushing plague marines together with supporting elite character options.

 

*If* the WE get a codex (and I am also skeptical), then I'd expect an expanded model line: new 'zerkers, adding a terminator berzerker option and an HQ kit; probably Angron as well (to sell people on the army). After that, perhaps an array of Elite support characters to push the berzerkers and termi-berzerkers to the next level (as I think the DG elite support options do for them). But I would expect it to be fairly narrowly focused in that it would center on berzerkers and establishing a less monotonous way to play berzerker spam.

[Closet Skeleton]

After that, perhaps an array of Elite support characters to push the berzerkers and termi-berzerkers to the next level (as I think the DG elite support options do for them).

 

 

Hah no.

 

Only DG elite slot guy that gets used is the one with a decent gun. Core book exalted champions and dark apostles are way better, DG are better off with more regular lords, psykers and more Plague marines.

[Sgt. Blank]

 

From a design standpoint, I do think it's challenging to fill out options for all the force org slots within the Worldeaters concept without fundamentally altering it. I'm not arguing "Worldeaters = berzerkers." but I've had opponents contend that Predators don't belong in a Worldeaters detachment, so I'm not sure what direction they can take without running into that sentiment.

 

To be fair, this same argument could easily be applied to the other cult legions as well. Look at the Thousand Sons: they added a bunch of new units in the Tzaangors, but...they really don't *feel* like they belong in the Thousand Sons, by popular sentiment. They built the DG I think in a way that works with the idea you mention, by pushing plague marines together with supporting elite character options.

*If* the WE get a codex (and I am also skeptical), then I'd expect an expanded model line: new 'zerkers, adding a terminator berzerker option and an HQ kit; probably Angron as well (to sell people on the army). After that, perhaps an array of Elite support characters to push the berzerkers and termi-berzerkers to the next level (as I think the DG elite support options do for them). But I would expect it to be fairly narrowly focused in that it would center on berzerkers and establishing a less monotonous way to play berzerker spam.

That sounds like a promising outline, some dynamic options or at least a way to shine is the key to making it a worthwhile codex and, from GWs standpoint, selling some plastic.

 

Berzerkers also currently have a unique dynamic among the cult marines in that they are more popular to field as an elites choice. Designwise, I assume they won't mess with that but there also has to be some incentive to build an army of Berzerkers instead of a single unit.

[Schurge]

I think all Codex: World Eaters units should be able to chase down enemy units that try to flee close combat.

 

I think all Codex: World Eaters units should get access to a 6+ FNP that goes up to a 5+ when within 9" of whatever enemy unit is attacking you.

 

I think as a squad loses more models, the models that remain gain increased movement and an increased number of attacks. Larger squads should benefit from this more then smaller squads.

 

I think World Eater characters should have the option to pay for Brass Collars.

 

I think World Eaters should have access to all generic HQs that will benefit from army rules and have access to codex weaponry in addition to vanilla weaponry.

 

I think World Eater dark apostles (and chaos lords, exalted champions, and executioners) should be able to pay for a jump back, terminator armor, or a bike (which would also at the same time be given to all chaos armies).

 

I think World Eater dark apostles should get access to army specific prayers.

 

I think World Eater berzerkers should have the option to pay for jump packs that also come with either +1 wound or +1 toughness.

 

I think World Eater berzerkers should have the option to replace up to two bolt pistols with a legion specific hand flamer.

 

I think World Eater tactical marines should come with chainswords, bolt pistols, bolters, and +1 attack... price should be adjusted accordingly... and one marine per 5 can replace their weapon with a legion specific flamer (or other generic special weapon) and one marine per 10 can replace their bolter with a legion specific baleflamer (or other generic heavy weapon.

 

I think World Eater cultists should be mid to close combat oriented. Have the option to bring flamers on par with what you would find with imperial guard, shotguns (ditto) and have strengthened melee capacity... whether that be through a few heavy hitting models per squad... or just extra low strength attacks per model.

 

I think World Eaters should get cult fast attack rather then terminators... some sort of biker / daemon engine hybrid with a marine riding it.

 

I think World Eaters should get access to vanilla terminators who can also bring legion specific flame weaponry and of course benefit from army rules.

 

I think World Eaters should get access to vanilla helbrutes who can also bring legion specific flame weaponry and of course benefit from army rules.

 

I think World Eaters should get access to vanilla spawn who of course benefit from army rules.

 

I think World Eaters should get access to Mutilators with completely reworked rules.

 

I think world Eaters should get access to Havocs that have access to legion specific medium range flame weaponry in addition to most generic weaponry and whom benefit from army rules.

 

I think World Eaters should get access to vanilla possessed and greater possessed who of course benefit from army rules. I think World Eaters possessed should be able to pay for wings to get the jump keyword (I think all chaos possessed should get that option at the same time).

 

I think World Eater greater possessed should work somewhat like Dark Apostles in order to give us an equivalent for the Master of Possession. All Chaos armies should get access to this at the same time.

 

I think World Eater maulerfiends should have the range of their lasher tendrils increased to 8" in order to threaten people hiding on elevated platforms. I think World Eater maulerfiends should benefit from army wide rules. Ideally... World Eater maulerfiends would be able to pay for legion specific flamers that they could bring in addition to either lasher tendrils or the melta tool. Maulerfiends would only be able to use these flamers when they are unable to charge the foe due to elevation.

 

I think World Eaters should have access to heldrakes that benefit from army wide rules (including being able to chase after fleeing flyers) and perhaps with further buffed melee against things with the fly keyword.

 

I think World Eaters should have access to rhinos, landraiders, and vindicators that can bring legion specific weaponry. I think we should have the option to pay for these vehicle to be possessed... at which point they benefit from other applicable legion rules.

 

I think World Eaters should have access to a legion specific deepstrike transport with a baleflamer and rules catered for assault.

 

I am probably forgetting some things... obviously some desires are more reasonable then others.

 

ALSO Blood Slaughterer rules in the codex, Angron, and Angron with his bloodthirster bodyguards as apoc detachment.

Edited September 4, 2019 by Schurge