TorvaldTheMild Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Has it been written anywhere of how Cawl got his hands on the Primarch project, seeing that Omegon stole it from Corax? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358129-the-primarch-project/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 We don't really know if Cawl even got that material right now, as far as I'm aware. There's been nothing since Corax' mentions on how Fabius experimented with the tainted samples. If we're lucky, they'll connect the dots in Alpharius' Primarchs novel via Eskrador and Guilliman, and maybe we'll find out more in Haley's Cawl novel at the end of the year / early next year. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358129-the-primarch-project/#findComment-5380174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorvaldTheMild Posted September 2, 2019 Author Share Posted September 2, 2019 We don't really know if Cawl even got that material right now, as far as I'm aware. There's been nothing since Corax' mentions on how Fabius experimented with the tainted samples. If we're lucky, they'll connect the dots in Alpharius' Primarchs novel via Eskrador and Guilliman, and maybe we'll find out more in Haley's Cawl novel at the end of the year / early next year. Its the geneseed of all the Primarchs that Guilliman gave him called the Sangprime Portum, But the Primarich project was the only source for Primarch DNA. So its just lazy writing if they haven't explained that and the Primarch project. I mean the Primarch project was kept in a labyrinth that is so complicated that not even a Primarch could figure out how to traverse it without being shown by the Emperor, so its so rediculously stupid if the Emperor just had one lying about in his desk drawer that Guilliman found to give Cawl, the Emperor wouldn't have gone to that extreme in hiding the project. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358129-the-primarch-project/#findComment-5380244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 That may be true, if the Emperor were the only one to work on the project. However, that's not the case. He had assistance from many, many other workers, and given Cawl's habits of "appropriating" knowledge, he could have just taken the knowledge from them. After all, there was extra work done after the initial creation, given the Grey Knights and their super-geneseed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358129-the-primarch-project/#findComment-5380470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorvaldTheMild Posted September 3, 2019 Author Share Posted September 3, 2019 That may be true, if the Emperor were the only one to work on the project. However, that's not the case. He had assistance from many, many other workers, and given Cawl's habits of "appropriating" knowledge, he could have just taken the knowledge from them. After all, there was extra work done after the initial creation, given the Grey Knights and their super-geneseed. Him having people work on it is irrelevant. If all those people have bits of the Primarch project then he wouldn't have gone to such an extreme in hiding it, plus he made the Primarchs so they wouldn't have bits of the Primarch project after it as obviously the Emperor would have collect all those bits if he was going to go to such labour to hide it in one of the biggest and most complicated labyrinths created solely to hide the Primarch Project. Any other information that the people who worked on the project had other than the actual DNA wouldn't do anything without the actual Primarch DNA and Guilliman gave Cawl it so he wouldn't have appropriate it. He might have appropriated data but without the DNA it would be useless. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358129-the-primarch-project/#findComment-5381051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 If he just needs "Primarch DNA", then Guilliman has a ready supply of that, given that he's a Primarch. As for the labyrinth, it's the difference between having a physical copy of a scientific paper, and being able to have an in-depth discussion and access to the notes of one of the secondary authors. Corax got the thesis. Cawl got the notes, and the brains of one of the guys who helped write it, plus 10,000 years to recreate it himself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358129-the-primarch-project/#findComment-5381272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 "Cawl got the brains of one of the guys who helped write it" Is this theory or actual canon? Which guy is this? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358129-the-primarch-project/#findComment-5381374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 I don't think its been stated anywhere as that specifically (or, at least, I'm unaware of any such story/tidbit) but Cawl is a literal network of brains, it's possible that he hunted down one of the chief biologians on the project early on in the whole Primaris project and zooped his brain up into a jar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358129-the-primarch-project/#findComment-5381384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Well, we're told in the HH series that Cawl is only a random techpriest far from Terra at the time of the Heresy, and during the course of the book he takes the knowledge of a magos there as his own. Given he now says he worked on the Primarch Project himself, the only explanation is that he's taken the mind of someone who did, and the boundaries have blurred. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358129-the-primarch-project/#findComment-5381395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinstryfe Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Given that we know all the Primarchs were found and reunited with their Legions, it's entirely possible that part of their indoctrination/debriefing/introduction involved a medical screening at some point or some other method by which The Emperor had samples collected. It wouldn't even be particularly odd. "Hello my Primarch. I created you, but you were scattered before I could complete you. Let's make sure that everything looks good or that we have scans of your unique anatomy on record in case you are injured and need medical assistance." It could just be twenty vials of post-reunion Primarch goo in a cooler. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358129-the-primarch-project/#findComment-5381475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorvaldTheMild Posted September 4, 2019 Author Share Posted September 4, 2019 If he just needs "Primarch DNA", then Guilliman has a ready supply of that, given that he's a Primarch. As for the labyrinth, it's the difference between having a physical copy of a scientific paper, and being able to have an in-depth discussion and access to the notes of one of the secondary authors. Corax got the thesis. Cawl got the notes, and the brains of one of the guys who helped write it, plus 10,000 years to recreate it himself. No he just needed the DNA of 'all' the Primarchs. Guillimans isn't enough. Corax got the notes to find the Primarch project but he didn't work on it, Cawl didn't get any notes on how to create the Primaris, that's why it took him so long to make advanced marines and it took Vincente Sixx and the Magos Biologis so little time,. Also the marines Corax made are different from the Primaris. Cawl never had the brains of one of the guys who helped write it; can we separate opinion from fact here, because you are stating your opinions as fact. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358129-the-primarch-project/#findComment-5381516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 There's also talk of a Primarch's "mature genetic code" enabling much faster or more stable growth for a Legion in the Black Books. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358129-the-primarch-project/#findComment-5381518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Well, we've got two conflicting canon explanations here. 40k, Cawl is stated to have worked on the Primarch Project, but his memory is incredibly fragmented. 30k, he had nothing to do with it, but takes the knowledge of other Magi. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358129-the-primarch-project/#findComment-5382564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Well, we've got two conflicting canon explanations here. 40k, Cawl is stated to have worked on the Primarch Project, but his memory is incredibly fragmented. 30k, he had nothing to do with it, but takes the knowledge of other Magi. Dosn't Cawl have multiple personalities/ fragmented psyche because of all his brain jars networks? I think the only ones who could verify would be a senior Custodes that were guarding the room while the Emperor was there. Such Custodes may not even be alive even though some now are apparently 10K years old, due to hanging out in the throne room. Didn't RG know some of the custodes from his time before he returned? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358129-the-primarch-project/#findComment-5391197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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