Codex Space Marines - Crusader squads?

[Slave to Darkness]

Am I just not seeing it, or is there a lack of Crusader squads in the dex, not been following the rumours closely for the supplement codex's so I'm not too sure what the score is there. 

[Closet Skeleton]

Every chapter specific unit got cut with the non-White Scars and Ultramarine ones going into a PDF until more supplements get released.

[Slave to Darkness]

So Templar armies are currently just black Ultras then until we get something updated?

[Medjugorje]

so you can expect to see them again in

 

a) Supplement Black Templars

b) Supplement Imperial Fists (incl CF and BT)

c) Codex Black Templars (i dont think so)

d) Campainbook XYZ

yes.... we are black ultramarines. But nowadays ultramarines who know how CC works. indeed.

[Brother Tyler]

No. The interim solution is that Black Templars players may take Black Templars units/characters via the WH40K Space Marine Character Datasheets that GW published. That coupled with the Black Templars Chapter Tactics will allow you to play a "Black Templars" army (rather than "black Ultras").

 

Eventually (hopefully soon), we'll likely see a Codex Supplement: Black Templars.

[Link2edition]

You can use the PDF if you don't mind spending one more point per model, but I am using tacticals until we get a supplement. Leave the close combat to the sword brethren (vigilus)

[Slave to Darkness]

:tu: Cheers, nice one guys. 

[Medjugorje]

at the Moment we are black Ultramarines who are still faster into Close combat...  and have a bit defense against mortal wounds.....

but I expect good rules for us.

[Sword Brother Adelard]

With their supplement we WISH we were Ultramarines...

[Link2edition]

at the Moment we are black Ultramarines who are still faster into Close combat...  and have a bit defense against mortal wounds.....

but I expect good rules for us.

I disagree, Ultramarines can't take Helbrect or Grimaldus, either one can change the way an army plays.

[Medjugorje]

Grimaldus is not good - never was in 8th Edition. Helbrecht is okay - but in comparison to a generic Chapter master just cheaper into CP - costs. Not better.

[Link2edition]

Grimaldus is not good - never was in 8th Edition. Helbrecht is okay - but in comparison to a generic Chapter master just cheaper into CP - costs. Not better.

Once again I disagree. Grimaldus can use litanies ontop of his aura, effectively using more than one litany at a time, he comes with a plasma pistol, and he is only 18 points more than a standard chaplain. The only way for Grimaldus to be bad right now is if chaplains are bad right now. He is a straight upgrade.

 

Helbrect grants +1 str to models in 6inches, which is not something I can get from a generic chapter master.

 

Ultramarines also can't take a back line objective sitter for 6 points.

 

I will however grant that there is not much reason to take crusader squads until we get a supplement. I am not the Marshal of your crusade though brother, so it is fine if you have a different take.

[Smirnov]

so you can expect to see them again in

 

a) Supplement Black Templars

Supplement Imperial Fists (incl CF and BT)

c) Codex Black Templars (i dont think so)

d) Campainbook XYZ

yes.... we are black ultramarines. But nowadays ultramarines who know how CC works. indeed.

You forgot to add 'Space Marine Legends' edition

[Slave to Darkness]

 

Helbrect grants +1 str to models in 6inches, which is not something I can get from a generic chapter master.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Interesting, so what units would he be useful near? Sword Brethren or normal choppy Crusader squads?

[Link2edition]

Interesting, so what units would he be useful near? Sword Brethren or normal choppy Crusader squads?

I am using it right now for sword brethren and devastators. I group about 30 marines around him and use his rerolls for shooting on the drop, then when the enemy charges me (as I just dropped half my army 9inches infront of them) I am swinging back with strength 5 attacks.

 

I play my Templar as a counter charge army. Everyone is equipped with the tools to assault, and the tools to shoot. I fight in both phases with all my units, Helbrect gives some much needed punch to stuff like devastators in assault, while also making already strong units just a little bit better.

[Medjugorje]

 

so you can expect to see them again in

 

a) Supplement Black Templars

Supplement Imperial Fists (incl CF and BT)

c) Codex Black Templars (i dont think so)

d) Campainbook XYZ

yes.... we are black ultramarines. But nowadays ultramarines who know how CC works. indeed.

You forgot to add 'Space Marine Legends' edition

 

i read leaks about them... no BT unit was in there. This source is very trustful. 

 

Interesting, so what units would he be useful near? Sword Brethren or normal choppy Crusader squads?

I am using it right now for sword brethren and devastators. I group about 30 marines around him and use his rerolls for shooting on the drop, then when the enemy charges me (as I just dropped half my army 9inches infront of them) I am swinging back with strength 5 attacks.

 

I play my Templar as a counter charge army. Everyone is equipped with the tools to assault, and the tools to shoot. I fight in both phases with all my units, Helbrect gives some much needed punch to stuff like devastators in assault, while also making already strong units just a little bit better.

 

it speaks for itself.

[Acebaur]

 

 

so you can expect to see them again in

 

a) Supplement Black Templars

Supplement Imperial Fists (incl CF and BT)

c) Codex Black Templars (i dont think so)

d) Campainbook XYZ

yes.... we are black ultramarines. But nowadays ultramarines who know how CC works. indeed.

You forgot to add 'Space Marine Legends' edition

 

i read leaks about them... no BT unit was in there. This source is very trustful. 

 

 

 

In where? Legends?

[Medjugorje]

In the fiirst pages of the FAQ (other sources Space Marines) there is everything which is out of the books... not any Black Templar specific char

[Sword Brother Adelard]

Well, duh.

 

We are not getting squatted. Can we just give that a rest already?

[xealito]

Wild speculation here. What would everyone think of a new crusader squad with primaris and Phobos included? Possibly in our own supplement.

[Sword Brother Adelard]

Little, in all honesty. It doesn't make sense lore wise.

 

We now know that new, non-indomitus Primaris are created from neophytes, and Phobos armoured marines are not replacing scouts, because Phobos armoured marines are full initiates.

 

Our chapter trains its neophytes in a pupil & master structure within the Crusader Squad, why would that change? 'Intercessors' are still initiates and they would be asked to train neophytes. They don't need to train the Phobos marines.

 

If anything, I'd like to see some new scouts.

[xealito]

I wasn’t really saying Phobos instead of scouts. But as well as

[Acebaur]

In the fiirst pages of the FAQ (other sources Space Marines) there is everything which is out of the books... not any Black Templar specific char

 

Those are all units from the Index which were updated to have the new AoD rule and chaplain Litanies. There are no BT units that are index only so why would we have anything there?  We have the PDF GW provided all the chapters without a supplement that has our unique units in it.