Zebulon Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 So, having read the snippet of lore about Munokhoi and his role in the Chondax Campaign, I am enthused and have a clear idea of what to do with at least some of the Mk III Marines I have recently acquired! More for the sake of a fluff and modelling project than gaming, I am looking forward to getting started on this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358574-brotherhood-of-the-sable-wolf/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebulon Posted September 24, 2019 Author Share Posted September 24, 2019 Okay, so in case people don’t know what I am on about (as opposed to not caring) it’s this bit from Malevolence that struck me as a potentially cool project... “Munokhoi, the Black Hound, was a Moritat within the White Scars Legion, during the Great Crusade and served under Ulkanor Khan in the Chondax Campaign. However when the Khan was killed by the Alpha Legion Praetor Siridor Vhen on Phemus IV, the command of the Brotherhood of the Sable Wolf fell to him, as the Moritat was its most senior member. Unused to authority or grand strategy and having little use of honour, Munokhoi simply had one objective: to hunt down and kill as many Alpha Legion members as he could, before death claimed him. He did not tell his Brotherhood to follow him and instead Munokhoi began hunting the Alpha Legion on his own. Soon his braying laughter drew the traitors to him, but they fell to his pistols each time and his Brotherhood quickly joined in his hunt. They would find the Alpha Legions base amid the moon's deserts, but the Brotherhood lacked the numbers to break through its defenses and instead attacked any patrols that emerged from it. With the Brotherhood unable and the Alpha Legion unwilling to bring a quick end to the fighting, the war on Phemus IV reached a stale-mate.” So, I am thinking of kitbashing a Moritat (though I am tempted to buy one of the cool FW ones, but I’d like to see how this works out first...) and then accompanying him with some assault marines (I.e. a Despoiler Squad?) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358574-brotherhood-of-the-sable-wolf/#findComment-5395848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 This sounds like a cool project, though surely you would also have jetbikes, destroyers, speeders maybe dreads in the brotherhood as well? Seems just a bit narrow with just moritat + despoilers IMO. I assume there is some unique paint scheme/ insignia's involved as well? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358574-brotherhood-of-the-sable-wolf/#findComment-5395857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebulon Posted September 25, 2019 Author Share Posted September 25, 2019 Cheers MegaVolt! Well yes, it is indicated that Munokhoi and some of his men do make it off Chondax at the end of this campaign, and as you say the Brotherhood would definitely have a full range of troops. The Moritat and Despoilers are the jumping-off point therefore, and I will expand from there. I do have somewhere a couple of FW Jetbikes which I never finished so will likely add them to the force. In terms of paint scheme and insignia, Malevolence provides a shoulderpad image for the Brotherhood - I will post an image of that. Beyond that, I am envisaging a part black part white scheme... probably broadly speaking black arms and legs but white torso and helmet, will need to see how that looks. With the usual touches of red and gold, too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358574-brotherhood-of-the-sable-wolf/#findComment-5396014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulhunter1995 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 I`m really liking the sound of this :) I`ll definitely have to pick Malevolence up now as I love the idea of a Moritat being in command of a company ^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358574-brotherhood-of-the-sable-wolf/#findComment-5396111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebulon Posted September 26, 2019 Author Share Posted September 26, 2019 Okay so this is the shoulderpad image from Malevolence. It’s the only visual cue to how this Brotherhood may look. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358574-brotherhood-of-the-sable-wolf/#findComment-5396618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebulon Posted September 26, 2019 Author Share Posted September 26, 2019 Here’s a WIP of the first Despoiler, shows what I am aiming at. I will I think gradually go darker from this old Fortress Grey dry brush with layers of Nuln Oil. I would like some feedback on the use of old Chaos chainswords and bolt pistols - for me, they seem to work as Mk3 and have that Scars-ish feel, but YMMV. I think I have enough for at least 5 despoilers, maybe more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358574-brotherhood-of-the-sable-wolf/#findComment-5397008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebulon Posted September 28, 2019 Author Share Posted September 28, 2019 Okay, after two coats of Nuln oil and a bit of dry brushing Abaddon black, I have this: I really would appreciate some feedback; much as I love my little dudes I am never certain whether I have done a good job or of how to improve in any detail... I am considering getting hold of some micro sol and micro set in order to produce decals based on the image a few posts up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358574-brotherhood-of-the-sable-wolf/#findComment-5398136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pheidias Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 The paints look a little thick, and I'd say the red, white and gold could do with a darker basecoat to ad some depth. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358574-brotherhood-of-the-sable-wolf/#findComment-5398151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebulon Posted September 29, 2019 Author Share Posted September 29, 2019 Thanks Pheidias. I have a bit of a problem in that when I water down the paints, they don’t really adhere to the model as they should. Hence I am quite sparing with water and often people say the paint is too thick, even though it doesn’t seem too thick to me. Not sure what I should do. Also, what I am really looking for is thoughts on how well the old chaos bits work on the Mk3 models, and also whether the colour scheme works or not. I guess it’s akin to Ebon Keshig so in that regard it is an established variant scheme... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358574-brotherhood-of-the-sable-wolf/#findComment-5398242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
D3L Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Not sure what I should do. are you using a primer? you should Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358574-brotherhood-of-the-sable-wolf/#findComment-5398379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebulon Posted September 29, 2019 Author Share Posted September 29, 2019 Not sure what I should do. are you using a primer? you should Yes I use a primer. Usually either chaos black or skull white/corax white. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358574-brotherhood-of-the-sable-wolf/#findComment-5398545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pheidias Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Thanks Pheidias. I have a bit of a problem in that when I water down the paints, they don’t really adhere to the model as they should. Hence I am quite sparing with water and often people say the paint is too thick, even though it doesn’t seem too thick to me. Not sure what I should do. Also, what I am really looking for is thoughts on how well the old chaos bits work on the Mk3 models, and also whether the colour scheme works or not. I guess it’s akin to Ebon Keshig so in that regard it is an established variant scheme... The parts work reasonably well, though the Chaos bitz suffer a bit from being very old and clunky. The colour scheme is solid enough. Concerning thinning, use a thinner-medium instead of water, and sparingly. I'd suggest priming white, there's enough on the model to warrant it, and it helps the red show up better with a darker base colour underneath. Also, start the gold off from a black basecoat, aids immensely with the depth.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358574-brotherhood-of-the-sable-wolf/#findComment-5398575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I would knock that arrow off the sword with a sharp hobby knife. Its too chaotic for a loyalist IMO. Plus the CSM bits look much better without the arrows etc anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358574-brotherhood-of-the-sable-wolf/#findComment-5398682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebulon Posted September 30, 2019 Author Share Posted September 30, 2019 Thanks guys I do appreciate your thoughts. I will twin-track my efforts to 1) improve that test model and 2) work on a second model to try to get both to the same standard. Is Lahmian medium good or would I be better off using a 3rd party thinner? I find myself in the unusual position of having tinkered with the hobby for the best part of a decade without getting any detailed advice on improving results, so let’s call this an early NYR for 2020... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358574-brotherhood-of-the-sable-wolf/#findComment-5398808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pheidias Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I've never tried Lahmian Medium, but I've only heard good things! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358574-brotherhood-of-the-sable-wolf/#findComment-5399029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebulon Posted October 1, 2019 Author Share Posted October 1, 2019 I've never tried Lahmian Medium, but I've only heard good things! Fair enough! But if you don’t use that, what do you use? Your Scars are pretty epic iirc... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358574-brotherhood-of-the-sable-wolf/#findComment-5399481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pheidias Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Army Painter Strong tone on the brass, Vallejo Black Wash on metal and Vallejo Burnt Umber Wash on the white, with most of it rinsed off with water after a few minutes (2-3 I think).Also use Vallejo Thinner on paints and Vallejo Glaze Medium for the Burnt Umber.EDIT: And thanks, I'm humbled by any praise. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358574-brotherhood-of-the-sable-wolf/#findComment-5400009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Yeah GW paints can be an odd beast. Use distilled water to mix/thin them. Also with certain colours like the white, you need to build it up with multiple coats. eg- chaos black primer > mechanicus grey > 2 coats of white scar. Best results with GW paint is using a base like brown or grey for instance over the primer, then build up to the desired colour like red/yellow or white. With the washes you need to stop using them when they get just under half way, because it then behaves completely different if you use them straight. GW paints are good for mixing/blending etc because you can never use them raw. I would overall recommend Vallejo paints, you can get them anywhere, works out cheaper, they are in dropper bottles and with a good shake, ready straight out the bottle if you are doing thin coats with little on the brush. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358574-brotherhood-of-the-sable-wolf/#findComment-5400052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebulon Posted October 9, 2019 Author Share Posted October 9, 2019 Leaving aside the painting for a moment, can I get some opinions/feedback on this WIP for Munokhoi? Particularly the following: - the plasma pistols are 40k bits not 30k. When did the plasma pistol look change, and would I be better off converting the “modern” plasma pistols to look like volkite weapons? - does the topknot look right on a 30k White Scar? Also unsure about the rebreather unit. -chapter champion shoulderpads. I really like them but do they suit a 30k character model? https://imgur.com/a/Haqi9Y0 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358574-brotherhood-of-the-sable-wolf/#findComment-5404478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 I think the modern plasma pistols work in 30k IMO, but I prefer the 30k plasma guns. Top knots are good, half mask CSM heads work for 30k well. Chapter champion pads could represent arty armor/ custom suit in 30k. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358574-brotherhood-of-the-sable-wolf/#findComment-5404621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pheidias Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Agreed on all counts, the "40k" plasma pistol is simply one of numerous designs, remember, innovation isn't (wasn't) a thing really between M.30 and M.40.Yes to the other questions as well. I used those pads on the Reaver Chieftain in this unit: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358574-brotherhood-of-the-sable-wolf/#findComment-5404663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebulon Posted October 10, 2019 Author Share Posted October 10, 2019 Thanks guys, that’s really helpful :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358574-brotherhood-of-the-sable-wolf/#findComment-5405180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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