Icosiel Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 I can see a number of challenges in terms of codex design for introducing Primaris that are peculiar to Grey Knights. So far, GW has shied away from producing Primaris units that are direct replacements for First-Born units. Grey Knight units are much less diverse than those of other chapters, so there seem to be fewer niches into which Primaris units could be inserted, without the new units ending up looking out of keeping with the existing design. The basic Primaris GK troop would be a Tacticus-armoured marine with a Cawl-pattern storm-bolter (R 30” AP -1) and a Nemesis force-weapon: lose either the wrist-mounted gun or the NFW and you’ve got an Intercessor with silver paint. However, you’ve now got a Strike Squad with 2W and 2A: except we’ve already got that, with the bonus of a 2+/5++ save. We also have to face the numbers problem: a Primaris GK army is likely to have even fewer models on the tabletop than it does now. Some ideas that might be welcome: Inceptors with twin assault psycannons or psilencers; a fire-support Squad with an anti-tank variant of the psycannon; Aggressors with twin incinerators and a heavy daemon-hammer. I really like the idea of Inceptors with psycannons. I kind of want to model that up now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358578-thoughts-on-grey-knights-and-the-future/page/3/#findComment-5406869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Antargo Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 As Grey Knights haven't had a direct update will they have one or will they slowly fade to being forgotten, knowing people play them is one thing, but without an update Grey Knights are starting to fall behind the other armies and the other armies are passing them, what are your thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358578-thoughts-on-grey-knights-and-the-future/page/3/#findComment-5407983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 For the millionth time... this isn't the end for Grey Knights. Psychic Awakening will pep them up. It's coming. Just wait. Corvus Fortis and Brother Lunkhead 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358578-thoughts-on-grey-knights-and-the-future/page/3/#findComment-5407992 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbra Pretium Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Grey Knights are all about being Psychic. Of COURSE Psychic Awakening will give them something - They're on the update list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358578-thoughts-on-grey-knights-and-the-future/page/3/#findComment-5407994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Krash Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Terminators are a really iconic model for the GK could it be possible they get the first "Terminator" armored Primaris? I could totally get behind this Krash Brother Lunkhead 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358578-thoughts-on-grey-knights-and-the-future/page/3/#findComment-5408075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Lunkhead Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Terminators are a really iconic model for the GK could it be possible they get the first "Terminator" armored Primaris? I could totally get behind this Krash I'd definitely support that Captain_Krash 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358578-thoughts-on-grey-knights-and-the-future/page/3/#findComment-5408111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holier Than Thou Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) For the millionth time... this isn't the end for Grey Knights. Psychic Awakening will pep them up. It's coming. Just wait. Grey Knights are all about being Psychic. Of COURSE Psychic Awakening will give them something - They're on the update list. I’ll take that bet. I’ll bet we get nothing more than an afterthought of effort. Edited October 15, 2019 by Holier Than Thou Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358578-thoughts-on-grey-knights-and-the-future/page/3/#findComment-5408175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Nahh we're going to go to war hand in hand with the Eldar to beat up some slaneshy hoe'demons. Zephaniah Adriyen 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358578-thoughts-on-grey-knights-and-the-future/page/3/#findComment-5408346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waking Dreamer Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) As interesting it is to imagine how cool Primaris models can be with GK custom armour/weapons. It also has highlighted, for me at least...would that make my current 4K points worth of GK models anymore viable in the future? Grey Knight Agrressors and Grey Knight Inceptors doesn't actually make our purifiers, purgation, or interceptors any more effective on the table. Sure, business-wise, it would be great for GW to get new and old GK players to BUY a whole new Primaris GK army with more powerful weapons and vehicles - and that would at least keep GKs in the lore / production line more relevant / updated. Though that does not intrinsically mean our current models will get actually better logically, I mean surely its much easier for GW to keep our psycannons that same bad profile now, while make the future "primaris psycannon" strong and effective, than make our psycannon effective and than make the primaris variant as good or even better (but also be different again), and then promote sales for the new. As to future thoughts of GK models I actually have now, I am observing the rule updates of non-primaris models of say SoS, Inquisition and BT, to see the current efforts of GW as a basis for my expectations. Edited October 17, 2019 by Waking Dreamer Icosiel 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358578-thoughts-on-grey-knights-and-the-future/page/3/#findComment-5408408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainely Wargamming Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 I don't want to rain on a parade here, but GK will not be getting the changes they NEED to be active in PA. They will at most get a few new rules, but they will still be overcosted Elite Melee armies with extremely weak psychic abilities. PA isn't going to fix their weapons, their stats, and their costs, lack of units, and CP needs. They are the Tempestus Scions of the Space Marines. Extremely niche army with a few models that do one thing and thats it. They kill daemons, and they mostly suck at that too in comparison to the new codex's. GW has no interest in pushing old models up a hill that is currently occupied by Iron Hands, Raven Guard, and White Scars. Trevak Dal 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358578-thoughts-on-grey-knights-and-the-future/page/3/#findComment-5408520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
momerathe Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 As interesting it is to imagine how cool primaries models can be with GK custom armour/weapons. It also has highlighted, for me at least...would that make my current 4K points worth of GK models anymore viable in the future? It's an excellent question. It's possible; I can imagine new models patching holes in the codex which in turn could allow the existing models to focus on what they're good at. If I look at the primaris range, it's actually the Vanguard stuff that stands out most to me, not the Agressors or Inceptors etc. Snipers, infiltration, DS-denial and objective holding, along with long-range anti-tank are all things that will open space for heavy-hitters to do their thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358578-thoughts-on-grey-knights-and-the-future/page/3/#findComment-5408572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andarius the Red Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 I am curious to see if the new Psychic Awakening would provided an updated psychic table and universal rules for our Grey Knights. Since Sisters of Battle and Inquisition are going to be released in November, one can logically assume the Deathwatch and Grey Knights would be included in the next update. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358578-thoughts-on-grey-knights-and-the-future/page/3/#findComment-5408588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gederas Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Terminators are a really iconic model for the GK could it be possible they get the first "Terminator" armored Primaris? I could totally get behind this Krash I'd definitely support that =Deathwing wish to know your location= That being said, yes. I could see Grey Knights getting the first Primaris 'Terminator' unit (even though I'd prefer Dark Angels to get that..... Eh, they'd probably get the first Primaris bikers :lol:) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358578-thoughts-on-grey-knights-and-the-future/page/3/#findComment-5408607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waking Dreamer Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 GW has no interest in pushing old models up a hill that is currently occupied by Iron Hands, Raven Guard, and White Scars. As an observation there does seem to be a difference in the effort of rules update between units or armies where GW can push new models for players to buy (eg primaris armies), and those that dont have new models in the works (sisters of silence), whos rules is virtually unchanged since the index. Waiting to see GWs treatment of Inquisition in November's White Dwarf. I wouldn't mind if they put Inq back together with GK if it makes them put more effort in their combined book as it would mean the potential of 2 player bases buying it. Silas7 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358578-thoughts-on-grey-knights-and-the-future/page/3/#findComment-5409042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvus Fortis Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 I hope there would be at least some synergy between ordo malleus inquisitors and Grey Knights. And some new psychic powers that affects whole Imperium. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358578-thoughts-on-grey-knights-and-the-future/page/3/#findComment-5409209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Krash Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Haha I only meant "Iconic" in the sense that they actually have there own pattern of Terminator armor Krash Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358578-thoughts-on-grey-knights-and-the-future/page/3/#findComment-5409224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watcher Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 (edited) I love our OG Grey Knights, but hey if they throw some Aegis armored Super Saiyan pure Primaris terminators our way. They can take all my money. Lets also remember that Grey Knights should be receiving some (probably small) updates due to Psychic Awakening. Edited October 18, 2019 by Watcher Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358578-thoughts-on-grey-knights-and-the-future/page/3/#findComment-5409759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andarius the Red Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Considering the abundance of chapter specific rules that have been the new Space Marine codices and their suppliments I'm curious if the same will occur for Grey Knights. Maybe even pull some inspiration from previous editions such as giving Grey Knights Shrouding and true grit back in their current renditions; granting knights a -1 BS to opponents firing on them as a target and their storm bolters treated as pistol 2 or 4. Could even bring back psychic quake where strike squads make a no deepstrike zone around them. But lets wait and see. techsoldaten 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358578-thoughts-on-grey-knights-and-the-future/page/3/#findComment-5409821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
casb1965 Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 With Primaris being 2W models where does that put our Terminators? They'd either have to become 3W models or would fall by the wayside as they'd be too expensive in comparison to Primaris Strike squads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358578-thoughts-on-grey-knights-and-the-future/page/3/#findComment-5409900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Krash Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 (edited) The rules for Terminators have never made sense anyway. So I don't see the issue. Give the Primaris terminators maybe a inherit feel no pain or some sort of special save. Krash Edited October 18, 2019 by Captain_Krash Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358578-thoughts-on-grey-knights-and-the-future/page/3/#findComment-5409981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watcher Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 (edited) The only problem with introducing Primaris Terminators (outside of Grey Knights) is that they would end up invalidating the old Terminators which so many in the SM player base still buy regularly. In Grey Knights alone, I imagine it would be a variant Aegis armor much like the Phobos armor variant which could probably incorporate a similar invulnerable save much like the Terminus Crux. That way they wouldn't invalidate the terminators via wounds and they would still have the deepstrike ability like a Strike Squad. Primaris with a stock (5+) invul. is still pretty decent and I wouldn't mind. The only problem is they wouldn't be Terminators which is no fun! Food for thought. Edited October 18, 2019 by Watcher Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358578-thoughts-on-grey-knights-and-the-future/page/3/#findComment-5410253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyB Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Terminators in general are a sticking point with the SM product lines as a whole. So far there is nothing in the Primaris line up that would serve as a close analog, and no major reason to believe that GW is going to do a general refresh of the terminator models and/or datasheets. Given the prominence of terminators in the GK, it leaves Chapter 666 in an awkward place in GWs product management schema. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358578-thoughts-on-grey-knights-and-the-future/page/3/#findComment-5410260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetcurse Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Technically, Gravis is the new terminator armor. Sucks. Watcher 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358578-thoughts-on-grey-knights-and-the-future/page/3/#findComment-5410308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainely Wargamming Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 I would really love, REALLY LOVE, to dust off my squads of Paladins and Strikes, and somehow slot them into a list of Custodes....but it can't happen. Can you imagine the psychic whining that would occur if they were to give a primaris supplement to the GK, the way the supplements are going? ALL GK GET +20 to all cast rolls ALL GK ARE NOW S24, with 12 attacks ALL GK now have a 72" smite that does D6 mortal wounds. No thank you. I enjoy playing my severely gimped boys in Silver, just as a silliness at times. They are the literal Dan Hibiki of 40k. If you beat an opponent with them, your opponent has to sell all his stuff and take up knitting. Watcher 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358578-thoughts-on-grey-knights-and-the-future/page/3/#findComment-5412334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gederas Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 I think the other thing is, GW has been trying to distance from the HORRENDOUS Matt Ward-tainted fluff in the past years. And Grey Knights were horrifically tainted by him, so they're probably trying to figure out how to de-Marty Stu the entire army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358578-thoughts-on-grey-knights-and-the-future/page/3/#findComment-5412343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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