Ania Redfang Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 When last I painted Raven Guard, the 1st company had the whole arm white, including the pad. Now in the 8th ed book it has just a white border around the normal black pad. When did this change and is the old style still "canon"? Ta Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358630-when-did-the-veteran-shoulder-pad-colour-change/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Race Bannon Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 I'll need to see it myself, yet it's the first time I've heard of it. From my point of view that is new, and it makes some sense. RESEARCH TEAM ACTIVATE! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358630-when-did-the-veteran-shoulder-pad-colour-change/#findComment-5394270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kierdale Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Indeed! In the new supplement it shows an Intercessor of the 1st company with just white trim on the right shoulder pad. No white arms. I must say I like it :tu: Not sure what an Intercessor is doing in the first company though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358630-when-did-the-veteran-shoulder-pad-colour-change/#findComment-5394297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewarriorhunter Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 He got the Vigilus CP buff and was promoted to Intercessor? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358630-when-did-the-veteran-shoulder-pad-colour-change/#findComment-5394308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Theres a few other things that felt retconny. Like no mention of corax' axioms, but an entirely new type of doctrine to combat the threat of...the sable brand? Don't know when that became such a phenomenon where it's analogous to either of the blood angels problems. Also would have liked to know how shaan became first captain and what happened to the last one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358630-when-did-the-veteran-shoulder-pad-colour-change/#findComment-5394331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinyRhino Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Aajz Solari also crossed the Rubicon Primaris, a according to the picture on page 50. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358630-when-did-the-veteran-shoulder-pad-colour-change/#findComment-5394333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claws and Effect Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Also, Solaq is apparently dead because someone else is Captain of the 5th. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358630-when-did-the-veteran-shoulder-pad-colour-change/#findComment-5394446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamIsCollapsing Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Theres a few other things that felt retconny. Like no mention of corax' axioms, but an entirely new type of doctrine to combat the threat of...the sable brand? Don't know when that became such a phenomenon where it's analogous to either of the blood angels problems. Also would have liked to know how shaan became first captain and what happened to the last one. In the Corax book of the HH series it's kinda of a serious problem. Not as much as the Wolfens thing for Space wolfes or the blood angel malediction (because they can recover and dont show visible mutations and it is not as frequent as those two disease). Also the ravenspire is now kinda like Titans and first company like the black Custodians (dont remember the name). The abomination Corax created and the murdering he has done to them has weakened the frontier between real space and warp. So there is some nasty thing coming in the cave and the first company are one duty to destroyed them. Note than the arm colors arent mentioned in this new codex. And if you look well you will see that Primaris Shrike, the new Phobos lieutenant (with the smoke grenade and reiver mask) or the Shadow captain in the codex got white arms. So it's really for you to decide. On the other hand the helmet got "officialy" change, now the Sergent dont have a white helmet, only the iron skull (white is for veteran, and sergent veteran got skull + white). BUT you will see (almost) all of the new sergent (not talking about the ancient models obviously) still with white helmet. And about the Intercessor, they are presented, both in RG and SM codex as the creme de la creme of Primaris. Reiver and other phobos armor squad (elminator, supressor) and hellblaster as depicted as "training" stage. And only when one pass all this stage can he became an Intercessor. So nothing wrong with this. Remember they dont have Terminator armor, or veteran entry (only via stratagem). And i dont think the Gravis armor as such an Veteran vibe as the terminator armor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358630-when-did-the-veteran-shoulder-pad-colour-change/#findComment-5394450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 One thing I noticed from the pics in the new codex is that the Primaris Marines don't have white pouldrons but the first born do? I'm OK with that I'm gonna stick to full arm being white ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358630-when-did-the-veteran-shoulder-pad-colour-change/#findComment-5394456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claws and Effect Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 One thing I noticed from the pics in the new codex is that the Primaris Marines don't have white pouldrons but the first born do? I suspect that is because the Firstborn in the pictures are the same Raven Guard models the studio has been using for pictures for over a decade now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358630-when-did-the-veteran-shoulder-pad-colour-change/#findComment-5394482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Theres a few other things that felt retconny. Like no mention of corax' axioms, but an entirely new type of doctrine to combat the threat of...the sable brand? Don't know when that became such a phenomenon where it's analogous to either of the blood angels problems. Also would have liked to know how shaan became first captain and what happened to the last one. In the Corax book of the HH series it's kinda of a serious problem. Not as much as the Wolfens thing for Space wolfes or the blood angel malediction (because they can recover and dont show visible mutations and it is not as frequent as those two disease). Ive read lord of shadow, its where corax states that one out of 1500 are afflicted; a total of 60 out of the legion's 90000. And also that it has a higher rate of appearing in the terrans. The supplement doesn't talk about that ratio increasing at all, so it's really weird to see that their training structure is made entirely to suppress the sable brand when on average none of them would suffer from it. Also they screw up the moritat fluff where they say the afflicted were organized as them, but discontinued after isstvan because it was too wasteful. All afflicted were moritats (or rode it out in solitary) but not all moritats were afflicted. They especially weren't disbanded after isstvan. I get that the codex fluff isn't necessarily "historically accurate" since its meant to be biased from in-universe, but the sable brand stuff is just completely inflated. If they were really going to lean into it, I would liked to see a stratagem or warlord trait that allows you to make a model a moritat/shadow killer. Also what happened to the mor deythan lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358630-when-did-the-veteran-shoulder-pad-colour-change/#findComment-5394484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Let's not get too off topic here Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358630-when-did-the-veteran-shoulder-pad-colour-change/#findComment-5394490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Race Bannon Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Also, Solaq is apparently dead because someone else is Captain of the 5th. O.o I ... say what now ... Uh ... anyway ... so maybe the white arms are for LTs/Cpts/CMs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358630-when-did-the-veteran-shoulder-pad-colour-change/#findComment-5394544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
seriade Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 The new marine codex has the retcon. I do believe the retcon is to avoid the fact that you have 2 different forms of chapter logo. There have been several subtle changes the chapter used to not do the codex standard with the shoulder pad coloring using a standard similar to blood angels to mark unit type. This got changed into standard codex. With the new codex they standardize the pad color to black. I think your seeing the old studio paint scheme for the old marines with the updates for the new guys. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358630-when-did-the-veteran-shoulder-pad-colour-change/#findComment-5394576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kua Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 The white arms are explained in the appropriate FW black book, IIRC. They were never a mandatory setting, just a common colouration example. In the FW book it is linked to some tradition from either the XIX or pre-union-Corax (Idk) and common amongst Vanguard (?) veterans. This means both is correct, and one reason might be that there are rather few Vanguards (oldmarines after all) in the new mostly-Primaris codices. Apparently primaris didn’t adopt another 10k y-o tradition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358630-when-did-the-veteran-shoulder-pad-colour-change/#findComment-5396178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Callidan Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Hey guys wondering if any can tell me what the white arms are about. I don’t have the info anymore and it’s not in the new codex supplement. GW has the Vanguard Vets with all white yet it shows the first company with a white trim only. And Captains and LTs having white arms. I was thinking that GW has stopped the white arm thing but they painted the Reaver Lt with white arms. thanks in advance Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358630-when-did-the-veteran-shoulder-pad-colour-change/#findComment-5410351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gederas Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Hey guys wondering if any can tell me what the white arms are about. I don’t have the info anymore and it’s not in the new codex supplement. GW has the Vanguard Vets with all white yet it shows the first company with a white trim only. And Captains and LTs having white arms. I was thinking that GW has stopped the white arm thing but they painted the Reaver Lt with white arms. thanks in advance Iirc, the al-white arms (and shoulders) is how Raven Guard show Veteran status. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358630-when-did-the-veteran-shoulder-pad-colour-change/#findComment-5410359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyberos the Red Wake Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 For some reason the supplement shows Primaris veterans as having black arms. That's basically all the info there is. We've had decades of seeing the non-Primaris veterans and officers paint their arms white. Worth noting that Shrike keeps his white arms despite becoming Primaris, and the Primaris Reiver Lieutenant also has white arms on the official model in the photos. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358630-when-did-the-veteran-shoulder-pad-colour-change/#findComment-5410379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sal of manders Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 hardly an expert on the matter, but I suspect the white arms are a throwback to previous fluff where it denoted veteran status. If somebody wants to verify that, be my guest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358630-when-did-the-veteran-shoulder-pad-colour-change/#findComment-5410389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 What info are you chasing in particular? 7th Ed codex briefly mentions that's its a status thing for vets white helmet being for sgts and above In the new supplement GW seems to have stopped doing white shoulder pads and just arms for Primaris I haven't read anywhere why yet Your choice at the end of the day I'm still doing the whole arm and shoulders white Edit Topics merged read previous posts for more info :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358630-when-did-the-veteran-shoulder-pad-colour-change/#findComment-5410410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claws and Effect Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Raven Guard constantly change their squad markings and colors to confuse the enemy anyway. As long as most of the model is predominantly black and clearly Raven Guard, you can do pretty much whatever you like. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358630-when-did-the-veteran-shoulder-pad-colour-change/#findComment-5410667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Old markings were better from IA for RG with the different trim colours IMO. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358630-when-did-the-veteran-shoulder-pad-colour-change/#findComment-5411367 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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