spafe Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Hi guys, Over the coming weeks I'll be digging out my guard army and trying to bring it back up to scratch for some 8th ed gaming. I've tried playing a ...50PL game against nids several years ago when 8th was new. I have the dex, the guard mission cards, and... thats about it! so on my list it to pick up the mini rulebook, and I think there is a... chapter approved(?) that I need to get. Anyhting else? I've got roughly 6 cadian inf squads, 15 HWTs (6 las, 3 mortar, 3 hvy bolter, 3 autos), and some officers 2 inf squads of catachan, 4 melta comand squad, officers 1 or 2 mordian inf squads, command squad with 2 nades and a banner in, officers several chrimeras, hellhounds, russes (2-3 basic, 2 demolishers, 1 twin auto or las), 2 bassies, 2 griffons. My questions are many but to start with, I was thinking to build it as a cadian inf battalion (2 line platoons of 3 squads each, the HW platoon, and the catachans as 'scout' platoon, still using cadian rules), a cadian arty group, with the bassies and griffons, then a mordian 'weakened' tank company (with several tank crew models mixed into the inf squads as if they've lost their rides). This would mean mainly caidan and mordian regimental doctrines. Is this a bad idea from the off? I 'could' use the mordians as dress uniform cadians and use the catachans as the inf guard to a catachan tank company, but I dont like that idea as much, as I'm guessing trying to get all 3 regiments using their doctrines wouldnt be too feasible at 2k point games. Is mordian tank rules really not worth it, or can it be useful. I've read the tactics on the net, but am not familiar with current rules in the game to know if they are actually worth it. This is mainly friendly games, not tournaments, and mainly against nids and nurgle I think, maybe a blood angel player too. finally I've got 10 ratlings, some stormtrioopers, and ogyrns to throw in here and there too, but at the moment I'm mainly thinking of the main regiments to build my fluff around. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358750-mixed-regiments/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 There's two Chapter Approved, and theoretically another to come in the not too distant future. GW will be releasing a "small" rulebook soon, the reasonable assumption is that this will also include the current CA changes at the least so it'll be worth waiting to see how that turns out. Mixing Regiments across Detachments is no bad thing especially with the models and lore to support it. It might mean you can get less leverage from their rules, but this will be supplemented somewhat by some variety :) I reckon it won't be too much work to fit them in at 2,000pts, it's easy to fill Detachments out as Guard if you want :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358750-mixed-regiments/#findComment-5397243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spafe Posted September 27, 2019 Author Share Posted September 27, 2019 I reckon it won't be too much work to fit them in at 2,000pts, it's easy to fill Detachments out as Guard if you want wont be too much work for 2 regiments or wont be too much work to get all 3? Also I like the idea of cadian snipers, as I could get 9 for 90pts (with 9 lasgun wielding spotters) or 10 ratlings, but with the cadian reroll to hit, I would guess the one less is acceptable to fish for more mortal wounds? is that a thing? As you might be able to tell from my vehicles and refences to guard not the new name I can never remember/pronounce, my ogyrns are 5 old metal ones, not the bullgrns. Are they still useable or do I need to look to converting them to wield combat weapons? Thanks for the heads up on extra CA! I'll hold fire on the rules side for now and concentrate on building/painting the remaining units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358750-mixed-regiments/#findComment-5397254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 For 3 In fact you could probably do 4 without difficulty Spin up Battlescribe and you maybe be surprised at what you can do Snipers are a bit so-so unfortunately, if you want some better to do it properly. Ratlings are decent and don't break the bank - the trick is not to expect too much Bullgryns take the limelight for a good reason as they're good and provide some real combat threat to Guard, sadly this leaves Ogryns a bit in the cold. Ripper guns are nice, but such shooting is not hard to find for Guard and their poor armour save makes them a bit fragile when the enemy gets serious and without a specialist combat weapon they don't hit particularly hard. Guard is not the army for generalists as a rule of thumb, but that's not to say they're outright bad as they could form a more flexible counter attack unit. Moving up to add some extra fire power and combat weight they could support some Infantry in handling anti-infantry duties and cause some mischief if they can get into combat with units that don't want it. If you want some Bullgryns I'd recommend getting new ones rather than converting the classics. The kit is really nice and they're good models, and can be magnetised too Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358750-mixed-regiments/#findComment-5397297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Welcome back spafe! :) You probably want the vigilus book too for the specialist detachment rules. The IG ones are good :yes: Mixing regiments from a competitive sense is fairly common. Main thing is that the different regiments are easily distinguishable! As for Mordian tanks... Their RD isn't bad Especially if you wanna play them aggressively and bait your opponent. However I prefer the durability of the Valhallan detachment for my tournament lists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358750-mixed-regiments/#findComment-5397471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spafe Posted September 28, 2019 Author Share Posted September 28, 2019 Cheers duz, it's nice to be back! I've made my first pass at a list in the lists forum. In the meantime today I've been giving my tanks scheme some testing Erm, is there a way to put a photo in here from my phone? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358750-mixed-regiments/#findComment-5398036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348631-posting-pictures-from-bc-gallery/ Should help If you have any questions feel free to pm me You will probably have to resize your pics so they're smaller than 2mb most phone cameras these days create large image files Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358750-mixed-regiments/#findComment-5398041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spafe Posted September 28, 2019 Author Share Posted September 28, 2019 Hopefully this works Eh, links for now, I'll fight with pics on a computer during the week Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358750-mixed-regiments/#findComment-5398048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuardDaddy Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 i do pics on imgur - there is straight copy/paste in fourm option Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358750-mixed-regiments/#findComment-5398068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spafe Posted September 30, 2019 Author Share Posted September 30, 2019 Ah ha! I've sused it! soo much easier not on my phone. The photos are in the post above. I've had a productive weekend, got the other 4 mostly done too. Hopefully I'll get them squared away tonight and might have an update tomorrow with all 5. I seem to have lost one of my ogyrns (athough also missing several tanks so it may turn up once I find them), but this seems to be fine as I can transport 4 in a chrimera. More progress soon I hope! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358750-mixed-regiments/#findComment-5398721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Good colours on the camouflage scheme, once you've finished the remaining bits it should give you a good idea of if you want to use it or not but it looks like a good result :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358750-mixed-regiments/#findComment-5398738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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