Neuralshock Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 An interesting brain smart I had earlier today. Crimson Fists essentially have their one character and they got a whole chapter tactic that is altogether different than IF, they also have a chapter master model in Pedro. My thinking, FT's are a pretty "fleshed" out chapter and Seth has his own model. Might be pretty interesting to see if the boys in redder red might get their own version of the red thirst? something along the lines of +2 to any movement that moves closer to enemy models? What are your thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359084-flesh-tearers-chapter-tacticsupplement/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tyler Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 It would be great if they got their own dedicated book, but I'm not sure that there's enough interest in them at GW. I could, however, see the Flesh Tearers getting their "Codex Supplement" in the same way that the Crimson Fists did - via an Index Astartes article with an attached codex supplement in an issue of White Dwarf magazine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359084-flesh-tearers-chapter-tacticsupplement/#findComment-5404535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoridon Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Extra Ragey: Instead of rolling dice on the table, Flesh Tearers players must lob a load of dice at the nearest wall while screaming incoherently and lashing out at anyone nearby. Any dice that can be found are automatic wounds regardless of the result. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359084-flesh-tearers-chapter-tacticsupplement/#findComment-5404542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neuralshock Posted October 9, 2019 Author Share Posted October 9, 2019 Could be, but considering CF are folded in with IF. I could see TF's getting their own section in a new BA book potentially, with an adapted chapter tactic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359084-flesh-tearers-chapter-tacticsupplement/#findComment-5404545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 We'll get one as soon as Seth gets Embiggened. I hope. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359084-flesh-tearers-chapter-tacticsupplement/#findComment-5404546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephaniah Adriyen Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Embiggened My new favorite term for the Rubicon Primaris. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359084-flesh-tearers-chapter-tacticsupplement/#findComment-5404554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aothaine Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 We'll get one as soon as Seth gets Embiggened. I hope. As much as I hope this happens. It would be really really strange since my boy Seth doesn't trust the primaris at all and thinks they are plants. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359084-flesh-tearers-chapter-tacticsupplement/#findComment-5404622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slothysaur Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Seth doesn't like plants? Makes sense, I can see him disliking vegetables... :D In all seriousness, I see Seth becoming Primaris as unlikely at best. However, Iron Hands got a named character, so I guess anything is possible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359084-flesh-tearers-chapter-tacticsupplement/#findComment-5404692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aothaine Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Seth doesn't like plants? Makes sense, I can see him disliking vegetables... He thinks they are spies lol. He doesn't trust them at all. But that would be the ones that were brought with Guilliman. I wonder what he would think of primarised recruits from their home world. Also, if they do it he needs to be almost as tall as Guilliman. Dude is freakishly big in the lore from what I remember and they better do his chain-greatsword justice lol! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359084-flesh-tearers-chapter-tacticsupplement/#findComment-5404695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 I think they'll just cover them in the codex to be honest. If GW feel generous they may get their own CT, but honestly I doubt it. Maybe a Warlord trait/ relic/ Stratagem their own? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359084-flesh-tearers-chapter-tacticsupplement/#findComment-5404973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluejayJunior Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 They could add successor traits to the BA/DA books or put in rules that allow them to use the codex ones. And if they did that, they could give FT their own chapter tactic, or at least suggest successor traits for them. We'll get one as soon as Seth gets Embiggened. I hope. What a perfectly cromulent word for it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359084-flesh-tearers-chapter-tacticsupplement/#findComment-5405013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 We'll get one as soon as Seth gets Embiggened. I hope. As much as I hope this happens. It would be really really strange since my boy Seth doesn't trust the primaris at all and thinks they are plants. Meh. Many astartes think the same about Techmarines. Either way, he won't have a choice if he's near death and is subjected to the Calgarian Rites at the order of Dante. I want a primaris scale eviscerator. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359084-flesh-tearers-chapter-tacticsupplement/#findComment-5405297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aothaine Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Meh. Many astartes think the same about Techmarines. Either way, he won't have a choice if he's near death and is subjected to the Calgarian Rites at the order of Dante. I want a primaris scale eviscerator. True.. but do you think Seth would accept it? I have my doubts, even if Dante ordered it I think Seth would push back. Hell Dante was exceptionally careful when he was talking with Seth in Devastation of Baal. Like, way overly careful. I think Dante knows that he is dealing with a ticking time bomb when it comes to Seth and he doesn't want to be there when it goes off. It would be really interesting to see how Seth reacts to the Sanguinor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359084-flesh-tearers-chapter-tacticsupplement/#findComment-5405374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dice4thedicegod Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 What holds back flesh tearers isn’t the lack of special stratagems or chapter tactic; it’s that the blood angels hog all the best relics! FT just need access to angels wing etc Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359084-flesh-tearers-chapter-tacticsupplement/#findComment-5405377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FormelyKnownAsSmashyPants Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 No doubt if BA get an updated dex sooner rather than later, Blood Angels will get a second part to their existing tactic, and maybe FT will get a different second part. However, if the rumours about BA being in Psychic Awakening pert 3, probably against Tyranids, but maybe CSM, come to fruition, then I could see Flesh Tearers getting an IA Article. As far as rules go I’d like +1 attack on the charge (+2 for Death Coy.), in addition to the Red Thirst we already get. That would mean we’d be pumping out a bucketload of attacks, especially with Shock Assault in play. I’ve already mentioned in another thread I’d like to see BA get something for their rhinos in-line with their older overcharged engines rule. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359084-flesh-tearers-chapter-tacticsupplement/#findComment-5405573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Dante has no business ordering anything to Seth. Both are Chapter Masters of their own chapters. Even as regent of Imperium Nihilus it's something that doesn't change. However it's true that if Seth is gravely injured and somebody decides to save his life that way there's nothing he can do about it. He'll be super pissed about it though lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359084-flesh-tearers-chapter-tacticsupplement/#findComment-5405605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neuralshock Posted October 11, 2019 Author Share Posted October 11, 2019 Dante has no business ordering anything to Seth. Both are Chapter Masters of their own chapters. Even as regent of Imperium Nihilus it's something that doesn't change. However it's true that if Seth is gravely injured and somebody decides to save his life that way there's nothing he can do about it. He'll be super pissed about it though lol Maybe when he sees THE POWAH that becoming embiggened gives he'll change his mind. They retconned the way DA feel about primaris so anything goes Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359084-flesh-tearers-chapter-tacticsupplement/#findComment-5405629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 They didn't retcon anything about how DA feel about primaris. It just evolved. That's a big differences. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359084-flesh-tearers-chapter-tacticsupplement/#findComment-5405633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 I fully recommend reading Spear of the Emperor, other than being a really good 40k book, it gives some insight into Primaris/First Generation interactions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359084-flesh-tearers-chapter-tacticsupplement/#findComment-5405746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephaniah Adriyen Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Dante has no business ordering anything to Seth. Both are Chapter Masters of their own chapters. Even as regent of Imperium Nihilus it's something that doesn't change. However it's true that if Seth is gravely injured and somebody decides to save his life that way there's nothing he can do about it. He'll be super pissed about it though lol Maybe when he sees THE POWAH that becoming embiggened gives he'll change his mind. They retconned the way DA feel about primaris so anything goes They didn't retcon anything about how DA feel about primaris. It just evolved. That's a big differences. The difference being a retcon would be "Dark Angels liked the Primaris from the beginning" and moving the plot forward is "Dark Angels have warmed up to the Primaris". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359084-flesh-tearers-chapter-tacticsupplement/#findComment-5405788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Krash Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 I don't know if I could except Seth taking the plunge to Primaris from a Lore perspective...will GW mess his character up with shoddy lore? Absolutely Krash Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359084-flesh-tearers-chapter-tacticsupplement/#findComment-5405829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 He didnt like primaris as he felt they were red ultramarine basically. We already know that primaris get the thirst now though. Which means his view has probably already changed tbh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359084-flesh-tearers-chapter-tacticsupplement/#findComment-5406625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 He didnt like primaris as he felt they were red ultramarine basically. We already know that primaris get the thirst now though. Which means his view has probably already changed tbh. Indeed, after 100 years spent following Guilliman about, they adopted his tactics. Again, Spear of the Emperor shows Primaris in a different way. After 100 years fighting with them, I'm sure Seth will appreciate that extra attack. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359084-flesh-tearers-chapter-tacticsupplement/#findComment-5407074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remtek Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 I'm hoping they get access to BA relics, since the successors in the supplement have access to them via strats. Itching to use Gabriel Seth more :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359084-flesh-tearers-chapter-tacticsupplement/#findComment-5407091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 I hope so too. I don't mind paying an extra CP like the vanilla Marines do even. I'd be happy enough to have my Knights of Baal be what they are instead of counts-as Blood Angels. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359084-flesh-tearers-chapter-tacticsupplement/#findComment-5407127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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