Welcheren Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Does anyone have an idea as to how I might establish whether Chris Wraight drew ideas from Soren Kierkegaard for writing Wrath of Iron? It would help me tremendously for a project I am working on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359278-question-for-chris-wraight/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
apologist Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Probably best to contact him. He's on Twitter, runs his own eponymous blog, and you could also try the old-fashioned way of writing a letter to his publisher :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359278-question-for-chris-wraight/#findComment-5409871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcheren Posted October 18, 2019 Author Share Posted October 18, 2019 I'll search for this blog. I once contacted Guy Hayley to thank him for Death of Integrity, but since then I opted to quit Twitter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359278-question-for-chris-wraight/#findComment-5409899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcheren Posted October 18, 2019 Author Share Posted October 18, 2019 Neither the blog nor Twitter offer a means of contacting CW directly. Bummer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359278-question-for-chris-wraight/#findComment-5409903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Which parts of Kierkegaard’s work do you think Wraight drew from? If I remember correctly he is a professor and wrote a book about Rousseau and another about trade. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359278-question-for-chris-wraight/#findComment-5409931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciler Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Neither the blog nor Twitter offer a means of contacting CW directly. Bummer. Then it means he doesn't wish to be contacted directly. Writing to him via GW seems like the best solution. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359278-question-for-chris-wraight/#findComment-5409998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Doesn't Wraight reply to fans on Twitter or is that his blog? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359278-question-for-chris-wraight/#findComment-5410146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
aa.logan Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 He’s nicely interactive on Twitter Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359278-question-for-chris-wraight/#findComment-5410720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 If you get an answer, do let us non-Tweeters know :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359278-question-for-chris-wraight/#findComment-5411237 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcheren Posted October 22, 2019 Author Share Posted October 22, 2019 Gotcha! I re-activated my Twitter profile and Chris was willing to reply. Turns out that he did not rely explicitly on Kierkegaard. I have been reading Kierkegaard's thoughts of anxiety, the aesthetic, ethical and religious life. It occurred to me that a case could be made that Space Marine Battle novels explore aspects of existential angs. Consider the depiction of the Iron Hands in Wrath of Iron. Of course, Chris Wraight works with existing codex lore, but I thought that the obsession with mechanised augmentation and the consonant excision of weakness could be read as reflecting angst. But since 40K is not considerd canon Speculative Fiction, it would be very hard to persuade an academic journal to publish such musings, unless the authors admits to working with philosophical ideas. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359278-question-for-chris-wraight/#findComment-5412223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Gotcha! I re-activated my Twitter profile and Chris was willing to reply. Turns out that he did not rely explicitly on Kierkegaard. I have been reading Kierkegaard's thoughts of anxiety, the aesthetic, ethical and religious life. It occurred to me that a case could be made that Space Marine Battle novels explore aspects of existential angs. Consider the depiction of the Iron Hands in Wrath of Iron. Of course, Chris Wraight works with existing codex lore, but I thought that the obsession with mechanised augmentation and the consonant excision of weakness could be read as reflecting angst. But since 40K is not considerd canon Speculative Fiction, it would be very hard to persuade an academic journal to publish such musings, unless the authors admits to working with philosophical ideas. He very may have drawn on such a work. Keep in mind authors are under no real obligation to admit things like that though. However a non answer, dodging the question is also just as telling as a confirmation or denial. If you asked in person such questions, you could probably work it out or if they answered via video etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359278-question-for-chris-wraight/#findComment-5413219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcheren Posted October 25, 2019 Author Share Posted October 25, 2019 Fair point. The key site of my present struglge is to convince an reputable, peer-reviewed academic journal that 40K merits academic study. Uphill battle that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359278-question-for-chris-wraight/#findComment-5414093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorvaldTheMild Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Gotcha! I re-activated my Twitter profile and Chris was willing to reply. Turns out that he did not rely explicitly on Kierkegaard. I have been reading Kierkegaard's thoughts of anxiety, the aesthetic, ethical and religious life. It occurred to me that a case could be made that Space Marine Battle novels explore aspects of existential angs. Consider the depiction of the Iron Hands in Wrath of Iron. Of course, Chris Wraight works with existing codex lore, but I thought that the obsession with mechanised augmentation and the consonant excision of weakness could be read as reflecting angst. But since 40K is not considerd canon Speculative Fiction, it would be very hard to persuade an academic journal to publish such musings, unless the authors admits to working with philosophical ideas. You've basically read something and now you are seeing it everywhere. Like you have become a hammer and everything looks like a nail. There is no correlation between the two that would reflect existential angst. I mean excision of weakness isn't existential angst in any way shape or form. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359278-question-for-chris-wraight/#findComment-5418400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 That seems a rather harsh assessment to me. At the end of the day, the IH's hatred of the flesh is in large part their response to a collective trauma. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359278-question-for-chris-wraight/#findComment-5418556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorvaldTheMild Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Not really, we all do that. I've done that a lot of times. You read something and you think it is the inspiration for a lot of the things you read after it. The reason why its not correlated is that Space Marines have meaning in their lives, their lives revolve around meaning and purpose. That's why you couldn't really say they have existential angst. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359278-question-for-chris-wraight/#findComment-5418582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 I would tend to agree that SM in general don't have existential angst. The IH though are an interesting case. They hate their own flesh and the weakness it represents to them, but does that qualify as existential angst? They fiercely cleave to their purpose of serving the Imperium, and mechanising their bodies is a way of advancing that purpose in their minds. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359278-question-for-chris-wraight/#findComment-5419026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascanius Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Any Space Marine that lives long enough is going to experience existential angst! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359278-question-for-chris-wraight/#findComment-5419782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 I would tend to agree that SM in general don't have existential angst. The IH though are an interesting case. They hate their own flesh and the weakness it represents to them, but does that qualify as existential angst? They fiercely cleave to their purpose of serving the Imperium, and mechanising their bodies is a way of advancing that purpose in their minds. Debatable, although in terms of parallels one might reach for to convey such a mindset, I guess the one Welcheren specified might fit. I don't pretend to know though, and haven't read any Kierkegaard Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359278-question-for-chris-wraight/#findComment-5420520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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