New Mephiston/Psychic awakening p3

[Blindhamster]

 

anyone else really interested to see what his head looks like now? I always loved classic Mephistons head, so hoping he has had a good update, the marine heads have generally been good for a while now.

No, because I hate painting skin....also, as a soldier, I can’t freaking stand it when space marines aren’t wearing their freaking helmets

 

I tend to assume the helmets are off for cool models, but they wear them when actually fighting - although from the Mephiston stories we've had so far it doesn't seem he wears one basically ever lol.

 

Something i've tended to appreciate about a lot of the primaris range is the option for helmet or bare head, and the option for helmets to add to belts in a few kits too.

Edited November 2, 2019 by Blindhamster

[Spagunk]

Doesn't seem like they kept the same psychic hood but then again the stills aren't too clear so we'll have to see.

[Blindhamster]

Doesn't seem like they kept the same psychic hood but then again the stills aren't too clear so we'll have to see.

Nah, its the same style, having custom sculpted one i remember the shape and design very well lol.

You can see that it has the front of the hood clearly visible and extends a fair way back and has the same cable coming out of it. The camera doesn't pan high enough to see if it still has the little skulls on the top, but it's definitely the same overall design.

[Charlo]

Incredible. Mimicking some of my absolute favorite art too.

 

I don't think he's a Primaris personally, just a sick model.

[Spagunk]

Doesn't seem like they kept the same psychic hood but then again the stills aren't too clear so we'll have to see.

Nah, its the same style, having custom sculpted one i remember the shape and design very well lol.

You can see that it has the front of the hood clearly visible and extends a fair way back and has the same cable coming out of it. The camera doesn't pan high enough to see if it still has the little skulls on the top, but it's definitely the same overall design.

I was concerned about the shot of the black cape with the gold blood drops being his collar is why I was saying something.

[Blindhamster]

Incredible. Mimicking some of my absolute favorite art too.

 

I don't think he's a Primaris personally, just a sick model.

It's possible that he isn't. However the boot is definitely primaris intercessor style with the ball on the ankle just visible and the angled section to the foot.

 

The rumour that predicted him said he was primaris too, and we've yet to get a new 40k loyalist marine character release that wasnt.

 

I'm interested to see how its explained if he is, the events of the mephiston books kinda make it feel like it shouldnt be possible.

[NTaW]

Primaris :cry:

Fingers crossed on an amazing enough model and decent enough story to sell me on the idea.

[Gederas]

anyone else really interested to see what his head looks like now? I always loved classic Mephistons head, so hoping he has had a good update, the marine heads have generally been good for a while now.

No, because I hate painting skin....also, as a soldier, I can’t freaking stand it when space marines aren’t wearing their freaking helmets

[Hintzy]

I'm personally hoping he does not get the Primaris keyword, though I know that's terribly unlikely. I've been waiting to buy the model knowing it was going to be upgraded and have been fantasizing about turn one 6" charges from a pod with quickening. Primaris kills that, and the Impulsor won't allow it either. I know wings made it somewhat doable but it would be more of a stretch. Plus he'd have to use his second cast on himself rather than unleashing the rage of a nearby DC squad. Maybe they'll give him a third cast, that could be neat.

 

While writing this I remembered starting him in any Primaris transport on the line and then disembarking him for a free 3" plus base size (likely to be larger) should give him at least a 23" move with wings and +3 to the charge with quickening. So the sky isn't falling after all.

Edited November 3, 2019 by Hintzy

[Majkhel]

I like what I see so far :) Unless the face is some terrible contraption, definitely gonna buy.

[RedemptionNL]

Someone on the WHC Facebook made this from stills of the teaser:

 

 

Edited November 3, 2019 by RedemptionNL

[Chronos1985]

The music is terrible for the teaser. Wish they would have used the same style as the Blackstone short story scenes. That aside, I LOVE how dynamic the cloak and skirt are. The pose seems brilliant. My only disappointment was fantasizing of a winged Mephiston in the air. This gives me hope for the eventual Dante model.  

 

Can't wait to see him in the full.

[SnorriSnorrison]

For me its a happy thing lol.

 

 

Primaris

Not sure it matters too much? everyone wanted him to be bigger - he will be. He rarely got put in transports anyway, so not being able to use rhinos/land raiders anymore is unlikely to matter either. And his design looks to be SO CLOSE to the classic art that other than his boots and presumably power pack, he won't LOOK especially primaris :)

How do you know he is? Except for the price leak, I didn’t find evidence for a Primaris upgrade in the video.

Rules-wise, being embiggened is actually bad since he can’t go into drop pods, stomravens, rhinos/razorbacks and has to rely on the very expensive (money) primaris transports.

[Panzer]

 

anyone else really interested to see what his head looks like now? I always loved classic Mephistons head, so hoping he has had a good update, the marine heads have generally been good for a while now.

No, because I hate painting skin....also, as a soldier, I can’t freaking stand it when space marines aren’t wearing their freaking helmets

You do realize how Space Marines work, right?

 

The helmet deadens their senses (this is canon across many different BL novels, by different BL writers). Also, marines can survive half their head being blown off. The helmets are only sometimes useful in being used for what helmets are supposed to be used for.

 

Think of it like this: If it's going to be something powerful enough to kill a marine, the helmet isn't going to protect them.

 

 

That's only half the story though.

The helmet also includes a ton of sensors and other utility stuff (like darkening the lenses so they don't get blended). It's also required to seal the suit off in case the environment is harmful for the Marine. Also to silently communicate with the rest of the squad.

 

Also I think you underestimate how durable Power Armour is supposed to be. 

Think of it like this: if it's going to be something powerful enough to wreck the helmet, the Marine would've been dead without wearing it.

[Blindhamster]

 

For me its a happy thing lol.

 

 

Primaris

Not sure it matters too much? everyone wanted him to be bigger - he will be. He rarely got put in transports anyway, so not being able to use rhinos/land raiders anymore is unlikely to matter either. And his design looks to be SO CLOSE to the classic art that other than his boots and presumably power pack, he won't LOOK especially primaris :)

How do you know he is? Except for the price leak, I didn’t find evidence for a Primaris upgrade in the video.

Rules-wise, being embiggened is actually bad since he can’t go into drop pods, stomravens, rhinos/razorbacks and has to rely on the very expensive (money) primaris transports.

Already stated but:

 

- the boot is clearly intercessor style boot

- the original rumour that said he was getting a new model clearly said he was

- there hasnt been a new loyalist 40k marine character that wasnt.

 

Doesnt make it 100% guaranteed but certainly makes it likely.

 

 

As for transports, the primaris comes move pretty fast and have fly so it's not like he would struggle to get out. Not being able to use the storm raven sucks though.

Edited November 3, 2019 by Blindhamster

[SnorriSnorrison]

 

 

For me its a happy thing lol.

Primaris :cry:

Not sure it matters too much? everyone wanted him to be bigger - he will be. He rarely got put in transports anyway, so not being able to use rhinos/land raiders anymore is unlikely to matter either. And his design looks to be SO CLOSE to the classic art that other than his boots and presumably power pack, he won't LOOK especially primaris :)

How do you know he is? Except for the price leak, I didn’t find evidence for a Primaris upgrade in the video.

Rules-wise, being embiggened is actually bad since he can’t go into drop pods, stomravens, rhinos/razorbacks and has to rely on the very expensive (money) primaris transports.

Already stated but:

- the boot is clearly intercessor style boot

- the original rumour that said he was getting a new model clearly said he was

- there hasnt been a new loyalist 40k marine character that wasnt.

Doesnt make it 100% guaranteed but certainly makes it likely.

As for transports, the primaris comes move pretty fast and have fly so it's not like he would struggle to get out. Not being able to use the storm raven sucks though.

Hm, I definitely agree with point 3. It wouldn’t make sense that he wasn’t primaris to GW.

Despite that, the picture of the foot is inconclusive. We’ve never seen Mephiston’s legs on the model and it could be that it’s just some ornate armour style on the lower leg/ankle like the sanguinary Guard. Granted, not very likely though.

 

About rumors I rarely give too much credit. What actually points to the fact is that he’s 40$, which is the primaris price and the fact that GW hasn’t released a non-primaris character for SM yet.

 

So, I think that he will be embiggened, but I don’t see it from that picture alone yet.

[Spyros]

My take on Mephiston and Dante as Primaris:
Through the novels, Mephiston is known to try to find answers and solutions to his inner unknowns and self-control. Thus, when the opportunity of Rubicon appeared he took it at once.
With Dante being Warden of Imperium Nihilus things are probably more delicate. I guess that the Guilliman wouldn't want to rush such an important individual (that he considers almost as equal) through a dangerous process. I believe that Dante will eventually go through it, but will fail and die properly, where Calgar died but returned. At that moment however Sanguinor will appear and give his life force to revive him, expending himself in the process. Ergo, the Sanguinor will not be primarized and will go, but Dante will not only cross the Rubicon but probably will come out even stronger than a Primaris version of himself!

[Blindhamster]

 

 

 

For me its a happy thing lol.

Primaris :cry:

Not sure it matters too much? everyone wanted him to be bigger - he will be. He rarely got put in transports anyway, so not being able to use rhinos/land raiders anymore is unlikely to matter either. And his design looks to be SO CLOSE to the classic art that other than his boots and presumably power pack, he won't LOOK especially primaris :)

How do you know he is? Except for the price leak, I didn’t find evidence for a Primaris upgrade in the video.

Rules-wise, being embiggened is actually bad since he can’t go into drop pods, stomravens, rhinos/razorbacks and has to rely on the very expensive (money) primaris transports.

Already stated but:

- the boot is clearly intercessor style boot

- the original rumour that said he was getting a new model clearly said he was

- there hasnt been a new loyalist 40k marine character that wasnt.

Doesnt make it 100% guaranteed but certainly makes it likely.

As for transports, the primaris comes move pretty fast and have fly so it's not like he would struggle to get out. Not being able to use the storm raven sucks though.

Hm, I definitely agree with point 3. It wouldn’t make sense that he wasn’t primaris to GW.

Despite that, the picture of the foot is inconclusive. We’ve never seen Mephiston’s legs on the model and it could be that it’s just some ornate armour style on the lower leg/ankle like the sanguinary Guard. Granted, not very likely though.

 

About rumors I rarely give too much credit. What actually points to the fact is that he’s 40$, which is the primaris price and the fact that GW hasn’t released a non-primaris character for SM yet.

 

So, I think that he will be embiggened, but I don’t see it from that picture alone yet.

Its possible the boot just coincidentally looks exactly like an intercessor one but I doubt it.

 

Someone else pointed out that in the shot where you can see his sword, the robes look like they have a primaris knee shape beneath them, not totally sure myself but I can see the bit they reference.

 

I dont usually put too much stock in rumours either, but they got everything else right so I imagine this will be too.

 

 

Regardless of primaris or not, I'm excited to see the full reveal!!

[SnorriSnorrison]

 

 

 

 

For me its a happy thing lol.

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Its possible the boot just coincidentally looks exactly like an intercessor one but I doubt it.

 

Someone else pointed out that in the shot where you can see his sword, the robes look like they have a primaris knee shape beneath them, not totally sure myself but I can see the bit they reference.

 

I dont usually put too much stock in rumours either, but they got everything else right so I imagine this will be too.

 

 

Regardless of primaris or not, I'm excited to see the full reveal!!

 

 

Good point about the knee, actually. We've seen the robes of marine characters with the kneeless armour like Ahriman, and they sure do look different than the Mephiston's. So yeah, can't wait to see the full miniature.

 

Very excited about this! Really interested in how the rules will turn out for Mephiston. "just" the upgraded profile won't cut it in my opinion, perhaps an even better FnP saving throw, more psychic might when casting/denying, advance + charge would be great.  But that would be great for the entire army, to be honest.

 

Ah, wishlisting. Christmas came early.

[Irbis]

You do realize how Space Marines work, right?

 

The helmet deadens their senses (this is canon across many different BL novels, by different BL writers). Also, marines can survive half their head being blown off. The helmets are only sometimes useful in being used for what helmets are supposed to be used for.

 

Think of it like this: If it's going to be something powerful enough to kill a marine, the helmet isn't going to protect them.

 

Um, no. Just no. About the only novels that try this dumb excuse are Space Wolf ones, due to their collective stupidity. In about every other book, helmets vastly expand SM senses and allow them to do things they normally can't (like seeing in different radiation spectra, etc). If they were even remotely dulling senses, SM would use Cadian style helmets, open to eyes and ears. The fact no SM chapter ever did so over last 10.000 years plainly proves SW nonsense wrong.

 

As for SM surviving half of head blown off, please provide one example. The novels are actually full of stories of SM being felled by a single sniper bullet, and funnily enough, the helmeted ones need to be hit in the lenses for the shot to be even remotely effective, not general head area. That one Black Templar comic illustrates it very well - wearer took hundreds of shots to armor, including dozens to helmet, and it was only the lucky lens one that killed him.

 

And 'sometimes' useful? If your "super" soldiers can be defeated by smoke, or tear gas, or just lots of ash in the air, then they are idiots, not soldiers. Never mind stuff like slaaneshi vapors or nurgle diseases, which helmets were shown to protect from dozens of times, if rent a cop from mall has a shot of defeating you with his belt can, you need to rethink your entire career choice

[Neuralshock]

I, for one, welcome my new chonky vampire overlord

[Arkangilos]

 

anyone else really interested to see what his head looks like now? I always loved classic Mephistons head, so hoping he has had a good update, the marine heads have generally been good for a while now.

No, because I hate painting skin....also, as a soldier, I can’t freaking stand it when space marines aren’t wearing their freaking helmets

Edited November 3, 2019 by Arkangilos

[keeblerartillery]

 

 

anyone else really interested to see what his head looks like now? I always loved classic Mephistons head, so hoping he has had a good update, the marine heads have generally been good for a while now.

No, because I hate painting skin....also, as a soldier, I can’t freaking stand it when space marines aren’t wearing their freaking helmets

[Dont-Be-Haten]

Lots of excitement here. Will be moving away from Carmine Blades and towards BA now (at least for a while). At least that's the plan. Will more than likely "ally" Carmine Blades to Blood Angels.

 

But I'm like the reclusiarch, I have so many first born marines!

[Frater Antodeniel]

Primaris does not exists, only resized Astartes exists, the Emperor Protect.

Primaris does not exists, only resized Astartes exists, the Emperor Protect.

Primaris does not exists, only resized Astartes exists, the Emperor Protect.

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(The new Mephiston give me hope that Primaris will end up as resized/redesigned Astartes. In the end, "All Eyes Shall Be Opened".)