New Mephiston/Psychic awakening p3

[Karhedron]

I wonder if they’ll incorporate the summer update into the book - hopefully not as that’s a lot of wasted pages.

It would not surprise me. Pheonix Rising incorporated the Ynnari changes, despite them having been in White Dwarf 6 months ago.

 

Points cost changes are likely to be in chapter approved which is out at the same time.

For common units like Tactical Marines, Inceptors etc, you are probably correct. I haven't completely given up hope that a few of our unique units (especially Dante) might get a points tweak just as the Yannari characters did.

[Blindhamster]

I just cant imagine a book named after us having cursory content. It seems too unlikely although I guess we will see.

[Charlo]

What's intriguing is that Mephiston is out in November so PA3 must be sooooooon too!

[Karhedron]

The PA supplments seem to be coming at (very) roughly monthly intervals.

 

I am glad Mephy is getting a stand-alone release. I also play Eldar but won't be getting Jain Zar or the new Banshees yet as they are only available in the rather expensive "Blood of the Phoenix" box.

[Majkhel]

What's intriguing is that Mephiston is out in November so PA3 must be sooooooon too!

According to the leak (you can check at page 2 of this thread) both Mephiston and Blood of Baal would be released on the 7th of December. Along with the CA2019,  Battle boxes and Mephiston: City of Light.

If that will be the case, it will be an important date for us. New rules and fluff for Mephy, changes in points costs & any rules changes CA brings and whatever caomes in the Blood of Baal.

[Panzer]

Since Mephiston probably becomes Primaris in the events of the book it makes sense to release them together.

Also 7th December makes sense considering the video said 30th November which would be the pre-order date then.

[Frater Antodeniel]

Rule wise, considering the massive changes that occured within the Space Marines last codex (Angels of Death, Doctrines, successors chapter tactics, Stratagems...etc), plus the supplements (each with their special Stratagems, their Relics and Special Issue Wargears, Warlord Traits, Psychic Powers).

 

I think that at this point, Blood Angels should either have a full new codex, or become a big supplement (looking at what was done recently with the Codex chapters, it is worth considering), in this way perhaps this Psychic Awakening 3 : Baal, will be a test from GW, making the book as a supplement for the Blood Angels codex, temporaly, until they release a new "codex" that will in fact be a supplement for the Space Marines codex^^. (Personally, i consider a possible Blood Angels supplement and Flesh Tearers supplement as interresting possibilities.)

Edited November 6, 2019 by Frater Antodeniel

[Dont-Be-Haten]

After "Phoenix Rising", I am keeping my expectations low. I would like to see us get Doctrines as well as the revamped Stratagems from the main codex. However PR was distinctly lackluster. It did little to address existing balance issues beyond repointing the Ynnari characters. Most of the additions were interesting and fluffy but did little to address the fact that half the units in the army are basically trash and competitive CWE and DE armies generally spam just a handful of over-powered units.

 

Obviously there has to be more content than just Mephiston but I am not getting my hopes up too high at this point. While I admit that Eldar did not need as much help as BAs do, PR was definitely a damp squib with which to launch PA.

Well you get to gauge how book three will look in a few weeks. By what the Templars and Heretic Astartes get in the upcoming book. Especially since BT don't use psykers.

 

I thought the flavor from the PA1 book was pretty stellar. Especially all the customization goodies. The story wasnt flat either.

 

As someone who doesn't play Eldar competitively I thought the book got a B+/A-

 

That being said, my optimism was based on being able to build my own Kabal and have excellent resources for a new campaign and being able to tell some stories.

 

As far as BA go I'm cautiously concerned that they will get the IF treatment where the successors get more access to the book than the actual chapter. I.e. Fleshtearers gain access to 95% of the book and BA only get 90%.

 

Any new mechanics will be small additions.

 

As for Mephiston himself crossing the Rubicon I could see a couple different things. 1. He can cast a 3rd power a turn, 2. He can re-roll a failed dice 3. He can consolidate/intervene 6" rather than 3, to represent his fleet of foot. 4th and final may be bringing back transfixing gaze for a -1 to hit bubble or self.

[Neuralshock]

I doubt that PA3 will be something akin to a codex but more of a stop gap. They'll most likely introduce the broad stroke changes like adding BA doctrines and litanies and maybe tweak psychic powers. This sets the stage for a new codex early next year along with new BA specific primaris releases. 2020 should be a big year for the space vampires!

[RedemptionNL]

2020 should be a big year for the space vampires!

This is based on anything or just your personal hopes and dreams?

[Neuralshock]

little bit of column A, little bit of B.

 

GW has had this planned in advance and if recent history is any indication, power armor is back in a big way. Along with a Dark Angel nerf, all this BA content coming out in the coming months can only bode well IMO.

[Charlo]

I mean hey, I just hope this gets me hyped for the Angels in 40k.

[RedemptionNL]

little bit of column A, little bit of B.

 

GW has had this planned in advance and if recent history is any indication, power armor is back in a big way. Along with a Dark Angel nerf, all this BA content coming out in the coming months can only bode well IMO.

Besides Mephiston, Blood of Baal, the novels and some updates in Chapter Approved, I'm not expecting anything anytime soon. I would not be suprised if 2020 wouldn't hold anything BA specific. Best I'd hope for is some new generic Primaris units.

And that would be enough for me if they do some decent fixed in Blood of Baal and Chapter Approved, although I don't have high expectations of that either. But I hope to be amazed, of course!

[SnorriSnorrison]

For this year, we are lucky if it’s anything more than Mephiston + some type of goodies like a few stratagems, perhaps a relic or two. Even that is a stretch.

The big one will be CA2019, I’m hoping for point drops on SG and the Baal predator myself, among some few other tweaks in points.

 

I could see a new codex in 2020 though. The book might be foreshadowing it.

 

RE combat oriented primaris: isn’t that what Reavers are there for?

[Majkhel]

Well, they need to give us something for the doctrines we are missing...

[SnorriSnorrison]

Well, they need to give us something for the doctrines we are missing...

True, but I don’t think it’ll be anything like the doctrines. No non-codex chapter should have those, because that would make using the codex a liability again. RT is one of the best AWSR in my opinion, so you gotta be realistic in what GW should top that off with.

 

Advance + charge would be strong with that. But that’s Codex talk.

 

Points are the god-stat though. Getting cheaper with CA2019 could take us back up there again.

[Charlo]

I wouldn't expect any other models than Mephiston.

 

It's very clear that chapter-unique Primaris units are not happening soon. Even in universe id say its not been long enough for them to develop.

 

The closest we've got is Calgar's honour guard.

[Panzer]

Keep in mind there's the rumour about a new edition in 2020. That and the fact that the BIG FAQ barely touched anything and GW saying they think the game is in a good place leads me to believe that the CA2020 won't bring any big changes either.

[RedemptionNL]

Keep in mind there's the rumour about a new edition in 2020. That and the fact that the BIG FAQ barely touched anything and GW saying they think the game is in a good place leads me to believe that the CA2020 won't bring any big changes either.

Haven't seen this before. Any link to it's source?

[Frater Antodeniel]

I wouldn't expect any other models than Mephiston.

 

It's very clear that chapter-unique Primaris units are not happening soon. Even in universe id say its not been long enough for them to develop.

 

The closest we've got is Calgar's honour guard.

 

I agree on this statement, i too don't think we are going to see chapter-unique primaris unit until at least 2021. On the other side, what we will have for 2020 i believe are more Primaris units, most notably Flamer/Melta units that have already been hinted, and certainly (because it is actually the missing thing), Close Combat units with chainswords...etc.

 

2019 has already been a good year for the Primaris range development.

 

For now, it appears that the "scouts" section with the Primaris in Phobos power armour is complete, and that what can be awaited for 2020 are Mark X Tacticus power armoured units.

The recent characters (Tor Garadon/Adrax Agatone/Kor Sarro Khan/Feirros) shows that there is potential. Plus the upgrades kits came with weapons such as power hammer, hand flammers, and power fist most notably.

[Neuralshock]

Tagging onto that there's still the pending reveal of the Hellfury unit that was hinted at in the UM supp. Those could be the early reveals in the new year. Mostly what I'm excited about is the new rules and fluff. BA specific released can be later no doubt.

[Chronos1985]

I doubt that PA3 will be something akin to a codex but more of a stop gap. They'll most likely introduce the broad stroke changes like adding BA doctrines and litanies and maybe tweak psychic powers. This sets the stage for a new codex early next year along with new BA specific primaris releases. 2020 should be a big year for the space vampires!

 

I am not sure where I saw it, but I feel as though either through Twitchtv or one of the podcasts, they said PA 2 and PA 3 will be supplement level changes? Hopefully, someone could correct or confirm that. Although, I feel as though that begs the questions what you consider supplement level? For me, it's three doctrines, and a dozen or so new stratagems, new/updated powers.

[Panzer]

 

Keep in mind there's the rumour about a new edition in 2020. That and the fact that the BIG FAQ barely touched anything and GW saying they think the game is in a good place leads me to believe that the CA2020 won't bring any big changes either.

Haven't seen this before. Any link to it's source?

 

 

Sorry but I don't keep track of sources unfortunately.

 

I doubt that PA3 will be something akin to a codex but more of a stop gap. They'll most likely introduce the broad stroke changes like adding BA doctrines and litanies and maybe tweak psychic powers. This sets the stage for a new codex early next year along with new BA specific primaris releases. 2020 should be a big year for the space vampires!

 

I am not sure where I saw it, but I feel as though either through Twitchtv or one of the podcasts, they said PA 2 and PA 3 will be supplement level changes? Hopefully, someone could correct or confirm that. Although, I feel as though that begs the questions what you consider supplement level? For me, it's three doctrines, and a dozen or so new stratagems, new/updated powers.

 

 

Yeah they said that, however "supplement level" in itself doesn't mean much. Just that it contains additional rules for a Codex. Could be one page, could be 10 pages. Who knows.

[Chronos1985]

 

I wouldn't expect any other models than Mephiston.

 

It's very clear that chapter-unique Primaris units are not happening soon. Even in universe id say its not been long enough for them to develop.

 

The closest we've got is Calgar's honour guard.

 

I agree on this statement, i too don't think we are going to see chapter-unique primaris unit until at least 2021. On the other side, what we will have for 2020 i believe are more Primaris units, most notably Flamer/Melta units that have already been hinted, and certainly (because it is actually the missing thing), Close Combat units with chainswords...etc.

 

2019 has already been a good year for the Primaris range development.

 

For now, it appears that the "scouts" section with the Primaris in Phobos power armour is complete, and that what can be awaited for 2020 are Mark X Tacticus power armoured units.

The recent characters (Tor Garadon/Adrax Agatone/Kor Sarro Khan/Feirros) shows that there is potential. Plus the upgrades kits came with weapons such as power hammer, hand flammers, and power fist most notably.

 

 

I actually think we'll see Primaris Sanguinary Guard and Dante next year personally with our codex release. With Caraeus being the only Sanguinary Guard who survived (outside those that went with Karlean) I expect an easy plug in lore wise and tabletop for the Primaris SG.

 

Death Company though, they are definitely going to milk that for a couple years. Earliest I see that happening is 2021. Maybe Guy Haley's novel will change my guess though.

[Neuralshock]

In mephiston's most recent book there was a passage about primaris reivers having to pull a brother off an ork. Unless that was just that particular reiver succumbing to the red thirst