Lord_Caerolion Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 We all know the fan theory that Drazhar is Ahra, but that he just doesn't want to admit his history, or has reinvented himself, etc. However, on rereading the fluff on Karandras in the 8th Edition Codex, I caught on an interesting detail. It states that when Karandras duelled Ahra, "only one walked away with what passed for his soul intact". So, here comes the blatant theory-crafting. We know the Phoenix Lords, and Exarchs in general, are a composite personality based at least partly on the spirits inside them, and judging on the number of gems on the Phoenix Lords/Exarchs, it seems they do wear the spirit stones of the "newcomers", or possibly that their suit creates them to act as a mini Infinity Circuit. What if, during the duel with Karandras, Ahra had his other stones smashed, in an attempt to actually kill him, as Karandras would surely know about the reincarnation thing. It also explains why, if Ahra really is Drazhar, he doesn't have any of the stones on his armour that characterise the other Phoenix Lords. This could destroy elements of his collective consciousness, most likely even damaging the core Ahra soul at the core. We also know that Karandras wasn't able to finish the job, as the new generation of Ahra's disciples, the proto-Incubi, interrupted the duel, and Karandras vanished into the shadows, leaving Ahra to butcher his own pupils. In this theory, this isn't Ahra just throwing a tantrum and being Stupid Evil, killing his own guys instead, but the "death" of Ahra, who the pupils were too late to save, and the "birth" of Drazhar, a Phoenix Lord truly reduced to a primal, instinctive state, the only remaining facet of their personality being their training and desire to kill. Drazhar doesn't admit to being Ahra because Ahra no longer truly exists, and Drazhar doesn't really remember it. This could also explain the lack of Chaos corruption in the "Phoenix that burns with the dark light of Chaos". This could also be something that the Ynarri may be able to eventually reverse, to actually have a "Phoenix Rise". EDIT: Cleaning up to break up the text a bit more. Also, there could even be a cheeky hint to this theory in the latest model. The Incubi kit comes with a statue of Ahra. What's included on Drazhar's base? A shattered Ahra statue. Confirmation? Not really, no. Interesting? Yup. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359385-karandras-possibly-created-drazhar/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher956 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 I like this theory...wonder how it gels with the fluff of the new book (get mine hopefully today!) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359385-karandras-possibly-created-drazhar/#findComment-5412762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadius Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 fluff wise it seems all evidence leads to Drazhar being Ahra. I am a long time fan of the Drukhari and have read every fluff piece I could find. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359385-karandras-possibly-created-drazhar/#findComment-5412801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MithrilForge Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Well isn't Drazhar ...[REDACTED] now... Mithril Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359385-karandras-possibly-created-drazhar/#findComment-5413252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted October 24, 2019 Author Share Posted October 24, 2019 Well isn't Drazhar ...[REDACTED] now... Mithril Nope, he ain't dead, the fluff piece ends with another Kabalite raising his helmet to her head, and then says "it was the last thing she did", or something like that. In other words, confirmation that Drazhar works like a Phoenix Lord, as if it were like an Exarch the Kabalites personality would still be there, just part of a collective. It's only in Phoenix Lords where the original completely subsumes all subsequent wearers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359385-karandras-possibly-created-drazhar/#findComment-5413256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MithrilForge Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Drazhir ... Mithril Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359385-karandras-possibly-created-drazhar/#findComment-5413349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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