Master of ambush and seize initiative

[angrom]

Hi all.

I would just like to confirm one detail about our rules.

As I understand it seize the initiative for the first turn happen at the beginning of the first round before first turn begin as well as our warlird trait master of ambush. So it means we can wait to see who definitly gets the first turn before using it am I right?

[SanguinaryGuardsman]

Hi all.

I would just like to confirm one detail about our rules.

As I understand it seize the initiative for the first turn happen at the beginning of the first round before first turn begin as well as our warlird trait master of ambush. So it means we can wait to see who definitly gets the first turn before using it am I right?

Yeah it occurs after the seize roll which is why it is so strong.  When playing filthy casuals you should be prepared to refute any claims otherwise although I'm not sure where exactly this has been address by GW.  It is in one of the many FAQs somewhere.  :(

[Shadow Captain Vyper]

I typically point out to people that First Turn roll and Seize the Initiative are both part of the deployment portion of the game. MoA and our other good stuff explicitly states that it occurs after that but before the first round begins.

[Dracos]

Filthy casuals? Doesn’t sound like a term of endearment :) Bad experience ?

[dode74]

I typically point out to people that First Turn roll and Seize the Initiative are both part of the deployment portion of the game. MoA and our other good stuff explicitly states that it occurs after that but before the first round begins.

I just looked and Deployment is its own section in the mission descriptions, and so is First Turn.  Under First Turn is where it lists one should make the roll to seize.  MoA is "At the start of the first battle round, before the first turn begins".  Is it not reasonable to argue that when the First Turn section starts then the first turn has begun, i.e. the first turn begins before seizing?  Or am I missing something?

[Brom MKIV]

Don't have my rules handy but seize is done before the game starts but after deployment. MoA is at the start of the first battle round. Subtle but there's the difference.

[dode74]

I do have the rules handy.  Here's a sample from the CA18 mission "Narrow the Search":

 

 

DEPLOYMENT

The players roll off and the winner determines

which of the standard deployment maps is

used in the battle (see the Warhammer 40,000

rulebook) and picks one of the deployment

zones for their army. Their opponent uses the

other deployment zone.

The player who did not pick their deployment

zone then deploys their entire army first.

Their opponent then deploys their entire

army. A player’s models must be set up wholly

within their deployment zone.

 

FIRST TURN

The player who finished setting up their army

first chooses who takes the first turn. If they

decide to take the first turn, their opponent

can roll a dice: on a 6, they seize the initiative,

and they get the first turn instead

Does the first turn not begin where it says FIRST TURN?

[duz_]

This question has come up several times previously especially when Strike from the Shadows was in its original form.

 

FAQ stated it happened after sieze.

 

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