Karack Blackstone Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 SW Primaris Unit Idea: Wraiths, a light skirmisher style Reiver. - Troops Choice - 16 PPM, WPL + 4 Wraiths, for starters. May add up to 5 additional Wraiths for 16 points per model. - Primaris Statline - Frags and Kraks - Bolt Carbines base - Reiver type armor - Bolt Pistol, Combat Knife - Can upgrade the BC's to Bolt Rifles, or Stalker Bolt Rifles, or Assault Bolt Rifles, for +1 ppm The unit: - May take a Grav Chute for +x (1? 2?) Pts each model. - May take a Grapnel Launcher for +1 Pt. per model? - May take a Camo Cloak for +1 Pt. per model? - May take an Auspex Scanner for +1 Pt. per model? - May take a Sniper Rifle for +1 or +2 Pt.s per model? - May replace BP's with HBP's, +1 ppm - May replace CK with Cswd, +1 ppm - Instead of a Grav Chute, may take an Aggressor Jump Pack, +2 or +4 ppm --- Grey Slayers, yup, the old good boys: - Troops Choice - 14 Points per model, 10 max, 5 base, WGPL available. - Astartes Statline - Frags and Kraks - Power Armor - Combat Shield - Bolt Pistol - Chainsword Options: I'm not seeing many, but some ideas might include: - WGPL available, has CS, CSwd, BP; may replace CS with SS for +2 Pts - WGPL may replace their BP with a PP for stock cost - GSPL may replace their BP with a PP for (stock) cost - GSPL & WGPL may take a Special Melee Weapon for Stock cost That's about it. Any other ideas out there? I think this could be a great thread, as GW reads these forums, and it really could help them with ideas in the future. Constructive feedback please; also, what do you think of other units, and any other ideas for the two above works! WGPL PP oversight fixed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359422-new-unit-ideas-brainstorming-session/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
dice4thedicegod Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Thinking of my recent conversion :) - primaris wulfen (extra wound would give a bit of durability) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359422-new-unit-ideas-brainstorming-session/#findComment-5413748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted October 24, 2019 Author Share Posted October 24, 2019 Sounds awesome, but a question must therefore be asked. How many points is that worth? 1, 2, 3, more? Still, solid call. Also, Primaris Wulfen would truly allow for some fun Wulfen variation. PW hauling Bolt Rifles could make a dangerously tough and mobile skirmisher pack concept! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359422-new-unit-ideas-brainstorming-session/#findComment-5413767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dice4thedicegod Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Well, upgrading from tactical to intercessor is 13 to 17, which includes wound, attack AND a significantly better rifle. The same proportional increase would put primaris wulfen at 37 points (up from 28) but imply 3 w, 4a and claws that had -2ap. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359422-new-unit-ideas-brainstorming-session/#findComment-5413786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 I would like a primaris Terminator with a decent 8nvuln save and access to more than powerfist, flamer, and the rapid fire gun. Like SS, TH, heavy weapons. Additionally a breacher squad like primaris. And of course this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359422-new-unit-ideas-brainstorming-session/#findComment-5413807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Thinking of my recent conversion :) - primaris wulfen (extra wound would give a bit of durability) I don't think we will get primaris wulfen. During a interview they said they created wulfen with primaris in mind, both scale and stat line. Meaning if old marine are going the way of the dodo, wulfen seem setup to stay. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359422-new-unit-ideas-brainstorming-session/#findComment-5413815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dice4thedicegod Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Thinking of my recent conversion :) - primaris wulfen (extra wound would give a bit of durability)I don't think we will get primaris wulfen. During a interview they said they created wulfen with primaris in mind, both scale and stat line. Meaning if old marine are going the way of the dodo, wulfen seem setup to stay. Ah, I didn’t realize that wulfen were so new. (I returned recently [8th] after a quarter century gap. When I left, there were no chapter specific army lists for marines other than grey knights. Certainly no special wolf units. Now I’m back, everyone is wolfishly wulfen it up on thunderwolves, but perhaps that is more recent than I realized!) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359422-new-unit-ideas-brainstorming-session/#findComment-5413818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 I would like a primaris Terminator with a decent 8nvuln save and access to more than powerfist, flamer, and the rapid fire gun. Like SS, TH, heavy weapons. Additionally a breacher squad like primaris. And of course this. looking back at this, its like an elite version of incursors Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359422-new-unit-ideas-brainstorming-session/#findComment-5413823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Thinking of my recent conversion :) - primaris wulfen (extra wound would give a bit of durability)I don't think we will get primaris wulfen. During a interview they said they created wulfen with primaris in mind, both scale and stat line. Meaning if old marine are going the way of the dodo, wulfen seem setup to stay. Ah, I didn’t realize that wulfen were so new. (I returned recently [8th] after a quarter century gap. When I left, there were no chapter specific army lists for marines other than grey knights. Certainly no special wolf units. Now I’m back, everyone is wolfishly wulfen it up on thunderwolves, but perhaps that is more recent than I realized!) Modern wulfen were released the tail end of 7th when the story was leading to the revival of Guilliman and the start of 8th. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359422-new-unit-ideas-brainstorming-session/#findComment-5413825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 additionally, Wulfen already represent both Primaris and Old marines. They, wulfen, were supposed to come out sooner, but were sent back and upscaled to primaris size. and I am happy they were upscaled. as for wolves primaris unit, I suspect this might be it. equipment belt of russ Double Headed power axes Bolt Carbines krak frag - 1 model in the squad may take Banner of the great wolf. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359422-new-unit-ideas-brainstorming-session/#findComment-5413948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 additionally, Wulfen already represent both Primaris and Old marines. They, wulfen, were supposed to come out sooner, but were sent back and upscaled to primaris size. and I am happy they were upscaled. as for wolves primaris unit, I suspect this might be it. equipment belt of russ Double Headed power axes Bolt Carbines krak frag - 1 model in the squad may take Banner of the great wolf. That's just the typical SW lieutenant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359422-new-unit-ideas-brainstorming-session/#findComment-5413955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Stromclaw Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 If we’re doing a wish list, I’d really like our Primaris guys to have access to frost weapons. Or just an effective Primaris assault option. Take aggressors, give them the option to trade one gauntlet for a storm shield, the other for a melee weapon, rename them ‘Stormguard’ or something, and hey presto! I’d also like a transport we can assault out of again. I miss old land raiders. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359422-new-unit-ideas-brainstorming-session/#findComment-5413959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightHowler Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 That's just the typical SW lieutenant.Except in the picture the dude in the background without a banner also has a double headed power axe Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359422-new-unit-ideas-brainstorming-session/#findComment-5413984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 That's just the typical SW lieutenant.Except in the picture the dude in the background without a banner also has a double headed power axe I chalk it up to artistic license. We have seen primaris with Spears, mixed equipment squads, reivers with bolt rifle and knife. In that picture there is a SW with a chainsword and bolt carbine also which isnt legal. Then the lore has them riding in older vehicles and Bjarni had throwing axes iirc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359422-new-unit-ideas-brainstorming-session/#findComment-5413995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightHowler Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Confirmed: Space Wolf primaris to get throwing axes!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359422-new-unit-ideas-brainstorming-session/#findComment-5414290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Squark Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 If we’re doing a wish list, I’d really like our Primaris guys to have access to frost weapons. Or just an effective Primaris assault option. Take aggressors, give them the option to trade one gauntlet for a storm shield, the other for a melee weapon, rename them ‘Stormguard’ or something, and hey presto! I’d also like a transport we can assault out of again. I miss old land raiders. Aggressors are much too slow to be an effective assault unit. Primaris bikes or Jump pack assault units could be interesting, though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359422-new-unit-ideas-brainstorming-session/#findComment-5414340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splog Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Assault Dreadnoughts. Because Space Wolf close combat Dreadnoughts are great, but the models need to be refreshed into the Primaris lime. New Bjorn, for the same reason as above. Primaris Wolf Priest model. Blood Claw Beserkers. Take Blood Claws, give them +1A and +1W to make them Primaris. Then give them power axes or lightning claws. Hearthguard. The Primaris WolfGuard. Gravis unit. Veteran upgrade +1A +1LD. Helfrost Bolter = assault bolter that inflicts mortal wounds on a 6. Grenade launcher. Tempest hammer. Deep strike. Special rule that allows shooting twice on deepstrike. Units 3-6 but models can be detached during deployment (to ‘lead’ other squads). I can’t see Space Wolves getting a primaris fast close combat unit before there is a generic one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359422-new-unit-ideas-brainstorming-session/#findComment-5415465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted October 27, 2019 Author Share Posted October 27, 2019 Jump Pack Primaris of the SW and generic kind could both be made. The real issue is simply put, C/SM survivability isn't where it needs to be just yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359422-new-unit-ideas-brainstorming-session/#findComment-5415508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 That's just the typical SW lieutenant.Except in the picture the dude in the background without a banner also has a double headed power axeI chalk it up to artistic license. We have seen primaris with Spears, mixed equipment squads, reivers with bolt rifle and knife. In that picture there is a SW with a chainsword and bolt carbine also which isnt legal. Then the lore has them riding in older vehicles and Bjarni had throwing axes iirc. I think that art is for a a primaris Ancient. That said I would love a primaris unit equipped with auto bolt rifles and power Axes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359422-new-unit-ideas-brainstorming-session/#findComment-5415848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted October 30, 2019 Author Share Posted October 30, 2019 I know it's been typed up before, but some kind of Reiver armor and Intercessor armored CC unit would seriously help with the Wolves being focused on close in fighting so hard. Intercessor CC: BP, CSwd, Combat Shield? - May Upgrade the CS to a SS, +2 PPM - May upgrade the CSwd to a power sword, power axe, or power maul, base cost for each one chosen per model Reiver CC: HBP, CK, Grapnel, Combat Shield? - Same for CS to SS - Chainsword instead of CK - Power weapons as above I'm not seeing many options, but still, a unit of 10 Interceptors with 8 Chainswords and maybe 2 Power Swords, one on the WGPPL and one on the IcPL would help. Same for the Geists, or Reiver CC'ers. Still, interesting dilemma. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359422-new-unit-ideas-brainstorming-session/#findComment-5417305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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