Advanced Mission Tactics

[Watch Captain Artemis]

Since the Space Vanilla Marines release the Deathwatch lost a little bit of flavour, especially in the SIA department. So, when we get covered in the psychic awakening campaign, I think it would be a cool idea, if they buff our Mission Tactics.

 

At the beginning of each battle, all units (not just infantry, bikers, and Dreads) gain the ability to re-roll 1s to wound and plus -1 AP on all weapons against anything belonging to one chosen battlefield role.

 

What do you think? 

[Trollbeard]

To me, SIA already has the flexibility that adding an additional -1 AP is not that needed on infantry, maybe keep it as a bonus for vehicles, but then have another effect for infantry. Maybe +1 to hit when attacking chosen battlefield role?

 

It’s tough, IMO, to say what they could add to our trait to improve it. Maybe make vehicles with bolsters able to fire SIA also? That would definitely make the Corvus a more attractive optio then it currently is.

 

I am very curious to see what GW will do with DW, seems like with the space marine supplements they have managed to differentiate space marines quite well now.

[Mr4Minutes]

I don’t know if anyone else will agree, but I want a return of the specialist kill teams from 7th. Malleus kill teams reroll all wounds against heavy, purgatus against HQ etc.

 

I don’t want the strict unit structure they had in 7th, but I do like the idea of each unit built to kill a specific unit and then getting additional bonuses to targeting that unit. I know everyone just took Aquila teams but still, I think it’s a start.

 

But at this point I’ll be happy if we get a new psychic discipline with good spells that aren’t focused solely on targeting Xeno factions and access to litanies.

 

Everything else is going to need a codex to fix or change. Which, with all the prayers and incense I’ve been lighting in the Emperor’s name, will hopefully be early January/February.

[Kolgrim DeathHowl]

Noob question what does SIA mean?

[Black Knight]

Special Issue Ammunition.

[Kolgrim DeathHowl]

Ahh ok makes sense now, ty for the info ;)

[GrinNfool]

I doubt DW will be addressed til around half way into 2020.  Based on the power level of what we are seeing in supplements though it SHOULD be something more substantial than what you proposed, since all codex marines get -1 ap to different weapons at different points.  -1 to whatever our target is would be a bit disappointing, as our "chapter tactic" is pretty poor anyways.  It depends if we get anything resembling doctrines though as to how much as needed.  Honestly I would rather get a codex 2.0 or DW supplement than a PA thing.  The first PA book was pretty terrible, and DW are much far behind the curve set by the marine supplements for a book like that to do much of anything.  CP is a big thing, and would look at salamanders codex on that.  They get +1 to wound on anything vs anything for 1 cp, and DW spend 2 cp for vs 1 target of a specific role, while much more hard up for generating CP in the first place.  DW can't compete with that and I don't think a PA level book will do enough. 

 

My HOPE is for a codex 2.0/supplement style book that lets them readdress DW, and make adjustments not just in our "CT" or adding something doctrine-esque.  Strategems need evaluated and probably let us add some of the units we don't currently get access to.  I think that falls beyond the scope of what the PA books are though.

[Azaiel]

I doubt DW will be addressed til around half way into 2020.  Based on the power level of what we are seeing in supplements though it SHOULD be something more substantial than what you proposed, since all codex marines get -1 ap to different weapons at different points.  -1 to whatever our target is would be a bit disappointing, as our "chapter tactic" is pretty poor anyways.  It depends if we get anything resembling doctrines though as to how much as needed.  Honestly I would rather get a codex 2.0 or DW supplement than a PA thing.  The first PA book was pretty terrible, and DW are much far behind the curve set by the marine supplements for a book like that to do much of anything.  CP is a big thing, and would look at salamanders codex on that.  They get +1 to wound on anything vs anything for 1 cp, and DW spend 2 cp for vs 1 target of a specific role, while much more hard up for generating CP in the first place.  DW can't compete with that and I don't think a PA level book will do enough. 

 

My HOPE is for a codex 2.0/supplement style book that lets them readdress DW, and make adjustments not just in our "CT" or adding something doctrine-esque.  Strategems need evaluated and probably let us add some of the units we don't currently get access to.  I think that falls beyond the scope of what the PA books are though.

I wholeheartily agree, I rather wait a year and get a proper revised codex than a tiny update in one of the PA books. But I have a feeling since we are a minority army ie not a lot of us play it we will not get anything more than a band aid.

[IronDreddKnight]

Access to bolter discipline again would go a long way to bringing deathwatch into line with codex marines.

[GrinNfool]

Access to bolter discipline again would go a long way to bringing deathwatch into line with codex marines.

Eh it would help but even if they did that the marine dex went from lower middle of the road to top tier codex.  Even when SIA was working with BD DW were only barely better than the old codex marine; barely = mid tier, and thats debate-able as Gulliman marines still generally performed better.  So even getting SIA back on BD wouldn't bring us anywhere near codex's level due to all the options they get.  Its like saying the old codex marines were almost in line with current marines.  DW will still have its inherent weaknesses of low model count, bad AV options, and susceptibility to mortal wounds.  For what it is worth though DW do happen to be good marine killers, so one of our natural targets improving does sort of improve our standing a little bit since we are a rock paper scissors army.

 

In any event I don't see that happening as it would mean GW admits they made a mistake removing it in the first place.

[Mr4Minutes]

I dunno. I think DW were good at killing old codex marines. I think new codex will be a totally different ball game. All the buffs to damage make them far superior to killing marines and their durability has improved (chapter by chapter basis).

 

Also add into consideration everyone is gearing up to kill Marines with fnp, ignore ap-1, only wound on 4+, half damage, -1 to hit etc etc etc I think pure/primary DW armies have a tough row to hoe for the foreseeable future.

 

I think the “you can’t beat them join them” mantra is the best move competitively going forward. Marine soup with DW.

 

This is slightly off topic and more on the negative side. Sorry.

 

I am optimistic for whatever our future releases will be, including PA. I just think we’re in a more difficult spot competitively right now.