Imperial Fists supplement

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Sorry brother.

[Sword Brother Adelard]

Interesting new Goonhammer Article on Smash Captains, a BT Marshal comes out second to only the Scars when you combine all of the shenanigans we have access to currently. (And that's without any rules specifically designed for us beyond Vigilus)

 

https://www.goonhammer.com/hammer-of-math-smash-captain-thunderdome/

[Smirnov]

Interesting new Goonhammer Article on Smash Captains, a BT Marshal comes out second to only the Scars when you combine all of the shenanigans we have access to currently. (And that's without any rules specifically designed for us beyond Vigilus)

 

https://www.goonhammer.com/hammer-of-math-smash-captain-thunderdome/

A bit pricey though. Compare to actual White Scars (not Successors) who don't need any stratagems and clock at 52%.

But I'm curious now about the wording we get in PA. Right now we can use all Imperial Fists Stratagems, trheir Warlord traits (unlike Crimson Fists) and relics with the usual stratagem tax. If PA doesn't specifically state that 'use these rules or the the rules in IF supplement', then we would get new stuff and keep the older new stuff with potentially still being able to tap into not-really-old-but-actually-old new stuff in Vigilus

[Sword Brother Adelard]

I wouldn't be surprised if any new rules for us in PA make Vigilus obsolete. I also expect a nerf on the use of Fists rules. I just find the complete omission of any mention of Templars in the rules of the book really weird.

[Smirnov]

No question that there should be a rules clarification if we get our own write-up, but coming from the people who gave us Iron Father Feirros and invulnerable dreads, I very much expect this part of the rules to be a copy/paste from successors entry in supplements

[Schlitzaf]

Interesting new Goonhammer Article on Smash Captains, a BT Marshal comes out second to only the Scars when you combine all of the shenanigans we have access to currently. (And that's without any rules specifically designed for us beyond Vigilus)

 

https://www.goonhammer.com/hammer-of-math-smash-captain-thunderdome/

Teeth or Relic Fist is better for a Templar Smash or a Sigislash/Law variant. Because additional attacks proc better.

[Sword Brother Adelard]

Yeah, so you can arguably improve upon those results. That was just a straight comparison of like for like, without relics.

 

(They also haven't factored in things like having Grimaldus nearby, or the new relic banner)

[Smirnov]

The article was specifically testing Smash Captains against Knights, so Teeth of Terra wasn't an option by these conditions. I think every chapter can do better if they want

[Acebaur]

Let's stay on topic please. What if any of the new IF rules (which may be temporary depending on PA) will you guys be taking? I think a couple of the warlord traits are stellar and will definitely consider using them in my games. 

[Sword Brother Adelard]

That relic banner is a must I think, having the Ancient in the fray is pretty vital generally, but with a guaranteed plus one to hit, that frees up a chaplain litany to go on something else.

[Sete]

So could we use BT CT as a random successor (not bt specifically) and still get access to IF stuff?

If PA2 blocks BT from using it, could we still use BT CT but without acess to BT WT relics and strats?

[Medjugorje]

So could we use BT CT as a random successor (not bt specifically) and still get access to IF stuff?

If PA2 blocks BT from using it, could we still use BT CT but without acess to BT WT relics and strats?

in terms of lore - YES. rule-wise  RAI AND RAW - NO

[Acebaur]

So could we use BT CT as a random successor (not bt specifically) and still get access to IF stuff?

If PA2 blocks BT from using it, could we still use BT CT but without acess to BT WT relics and strats?

 

No, because BT are not a first founding players are not able to use BT CT via the Inheritors of the Primarch successor tactic. 

[Sete]

Shame.

[Sword Brother Adelard]

Wait, I think you can. Why couldn't you use the BT chapter tactic and the IF stuff? We play exactly the same as CF essentially.

 

Oh wait, is this for someone trying to play another IF successor with BT rules? I.e. Red Templars? (White Templars are now not of Dorn's lineage.)

[Medjugorje]

That could be a thing in the fluff for good novels/books (white templar are not Dorns sons) but thats another topic.

 

RAW you could play BT with IF-Supplement.

[Acebaur]

Wait, I think you can. Why couldn't you use the BT chapter tactic and the IF stuff? We play exactly the same as CF essentially.

 

Oh wait, is this for someone trying to play another IF successor with BT rules? I.e. Red Templars? (White Templars are now not of Dorn's lineage.)

 

He was asking if you could chose the BT tactic but via the IoP tactic which you can't do because we aren't listed. Basically looking for a way around a potential ban from PA of us using IF stuff. 

[Sword Brother Adelard]

Ah I see.

 

Yeah that's not a usable workaround, sadly.

[Sete]

I am just wondering about our CT and restrictions.

As it stands it's no use to run BT rules in the PA supplement as a chapter with unknown founding maybe.

[Acebaur]

I am just wondering about our CT and restrictions.

As it stands it's no use to run BT rules in the PA supplement as a chapter with unknown founding maybe.

 

We don't really know anything for sure about PA other than we're in it. So I think it's a little early to worry about that ;)

[gang_chong]

I’m wondering if we can also use Legacy of Dorn doctrine rule as well... together with our own Chapter Tactics, Righteous Zeal.

[Acebaur]

I’m wondering if we can also use Legacy of Dorn doctrine rule as well... together with our own Chapter Tactics, Righteous Zeal.

 

Yes you can, we are a successor of the Imperial Fists.