VanDutch Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Today's preview of Faith and Fury shed a bit of light on the reported Chief Librarian rules that Space Marines are getting; I'm making an assumption that the corresponding stratagem opens up that warlord trait for use, but allows the bearer to know 3 powers. But this seems like a reasonable presumption... RG already have a couple of potent psyker powers, but this trait seems to open up some very interesting combinations. Currently I'm thinking giving a Phobos Librarian Spectral Blade, Null Zone and Temporal Corridor for a fast moving, heavy hitting and invul ignoring character killer. There is also a bonus of using Trifold Path and also giving another warlord trait on top of this, perhaps Swift and Deadly to ignore the advance impacting on charging when using Temporal Corridor. Any thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359829-high-scholar-of-the-librarius-and-rg/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Today's preview of Faith and Fury shed a bit of light on the reported Chief Librarian rules that Space Marines are getting; I'm making an assumption that the corresponding stratagem opens up that warlord trait for use, but allows the bearer to know 3 powers. But this seems like a reasonable presumption... RG already have a couple of potent psyker powers, but this trait seems to open up some very interesting combinations. Currently I'm thinking giving a Phobos Librarian Spectral Blade, Null Zone and Temporal Corridor for a fast moving, heavy hitting and invul ignoring character killer. There is also a bonus of using Trifold Path and also giving another warlord trait on top of this, perhaps Swift and Deadly to ignore the advance impacting on charging when using Temporal Corridor. Any thoughts? That trait looks really useful in general as a side board option. Like if you are fighting plaguebearer spam you can have Nullzone and Tenebrous Curse but if you end up fighting something big... might of heroes+enveloping darkness. Im going to be using mind raid and spectral blade in casual games. Gotta have my CPs + lightsabre force sword. Overall I think the tier 2 chaplain is better. Hopefully he gets a warlord trait for autopass litanies or at least rerollable litanies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359829-high-scholar-of-the-librarius-and-rg/#findComment-5424089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruor Vault Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 RG already have a couple of potent psyker powers, but this trait seems to open up some very interesting combinations. Currently I'm thinking giving a Phobos Librarian Spectral Blade, Null Zone and Temporal Corridor for a fast moving, heavy hitting and invul ignoring character killer. There is also a bonus of using Trifold Path and also giving another warlord trait on top of this, perhaps Swift and Deadly to ignore the advance impacting on charging when using Temporal Corridor. Any thoughts? You cannot take Nullzone on a Phobos LIbrarian in the new Codex as they no longer have access to the Librarius Discipline and the Tome of Malcador only grants an additional power from one of the disciplines they have access to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359829-high-scholar-of-the-librarius-and-rg/#findComment-5424102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 RG already have a couple of potent psyker powers, but this trait seems to open up some very interesting combinations. Currently I'm thinking giving a Phobos Librarian Spectral Blade, Null Zone and Temporal Corridor for a fast moving, heavy hitting and invul ignoring character killer. There is also a bonus of using Trifold Path and also giving another warlord trait on top of this, perhaps Swift and Deadly to ignore the advance impacting on charging when using Temporal Corridor. Any thoughts? You cannot take Nullzone on a Phobos LIbrarian in the new Codex as they no longer have access to the Librarius Discipline and the Tome of Malcador only grants an additional power from one of the disciplines they have access to. Yikes, youre right. Mind Raid and Spectral blade still works though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359829-high-scholar-of-the-librarius-and-rg/#findComment-5424111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanDutch Posted November 11, 2019 Author Share Posted November 11, 2019 RG already have a couple of potent psyker powers, but this trait seems to open up some very interesting combinations. Currently I'm thinking giving a Phobos Librarian Spectral Blade, Null Zone and Temporal Corridor for a fast moving, heavy hitting and invul ignoring character killer. There is also a bonus of using Trifold Path and also giving another warlord trait on top of this, perhaps Swift and Deadly to ignore the advance impacting on charging when using Temporal Corridor. Any thoughts? You cannot take Nullzone on a Phobos LIbrarian in the new Codex as they no longer have access to the Librarius Discipline and the Tome of Malcador only grants an additional power from one of the disciplines they have access to. Ah good point. I got carried away reading the rule! Still, there could be some interesting combinations either way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359829-high-scholar-of-the-librarius-and-rg/#findComment-5424113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 The Blood Raven's current stratagem is +1 power and +1 deny attempts; everything else was a direct port, so I assume the rule will stay the same. I feel like the CP and warlord trait requirement might be a little too much for a little flexibility. I think ultramarines might do better with the various movement reducing powers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359829-high-scholar-of-the-librarius-and-rg/#findComment-5424117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 The Blood Raven's current stratagem is +1 power and +1 deny attempts; everything else was a direct port, so I assume the rule will stay the same. I feel like the CP and warlord trait requirement might be a little too much for a little flexibility. I think ultramarines might do better with the various movement reducing powers You might be right however... Who doesnt have love options, toys, bling? This is all great stuff. I always wanted a list that features a jacked up phobos libby with a Luke Skywalker style green force sword delivering the emperors judgement. Now I can have it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359829-high-scholar-of-the-librarius-and-rg/#findComment-5424127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Oh I'm not bemoaning the availability options (aside from the blood ravens having nothing unique any more). I just find it hard to invest in librarians because I don't like the need to pass the test and then not get denied for potentially crucial stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359829-high-scholar-of-the-librarius-and-rg/#findComment-5424174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenohammer Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Well, I have a reason to build a new Liberian. Diabolic giggle in the dark. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359829-high-scholar-of-the-librarius-and-rg/#findComment-5424810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 So as useful as getting an extra power and deny is, I feel like the leaked inquisitor rules completely invalidate librarians in terms of psychic defense. They lose out on offensive applications, but Rex is too good to pass up with his 3, possibly 4 denies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359829-high-scholar-of-the-librarius-and-rg/#findComment-5424830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruor Vault Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 So as useful as getting an extra power and deny is, I feel like the leaked inquisitor rules completely invalidate librarians in terms of psychic defense. They lose out on offensive applications, but Rex is too good to pass up with his 3, possibly 4 denies. While the new INQ rules are pretty good. I think adding an Inquisitor to a pure Space Marine army is adding yet another mid-tier cost character to an already expensive army. They also won't do any good as buffers for a cheaper battalion as they don't take up slots. I can't remember the last time I felt I needed more than 2 Deny rolls in a game (discounting the Plaguebearer spam list which is almost certainly doomed once CA2019 drops). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359829-high-scholar-of-the-librarius-and-rg/#findComment-5424867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 My friends have a lot of eldar, nids and tzeentch chaos so I generally feel the need. 100 is definitely an amount, but I have a few units that can be dropped for more efficient choices, freeing up the space. 4 denies for a CP is great, and he can drop in with strike from the shadow units and disrupt casting, hopefully. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359829-high-scholar-of-the-librarius-and-rg/#findComment-5424881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewarriorhunter Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 This would be nice because today while making a list for tomorrows game I wanted to combine Umbremacy and Obscuration powers. I'm a little bummed that I need to buy another book after having just bought the new codex and supplement but such is life. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359829-high-scholar-of-the-librarius-and-rg/#findComment-5426732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 I like the Relic that allows you to deny an extra 12" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359829-high-scholar-of-the-librarius-and-rg/#findComment-5427261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruor Vault Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 I like the Relic that allows you to deny an extra 12" That's not what it does. It gives you an extra 12" on the range of the Psychic Hood, meaning +1 to Deny rolls out to 24". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359829-high-scholar-of-the-librarius-and-rg/#findComment-5427271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Ah miss read but still good :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359829-high-scholar-of-the-librarius-and-rg/#findComment-5427283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Phobos Librarian with a 24" deny range? Yeah that's a must have. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359829-high-scholar-of-the-librarius-and-rg/#findComment-5427296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruor Vault Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Phobos Librarian with a 24" deny range? Yeah that's a must have. They already have that. This just adds +12" to the range of their Psychic Hood (+1 on Deny). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359829-high-scholar-of-the-librarius-and-rg/#findComment-5427396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chapter master 454 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 Not really sure what sort of combos that can be cooked up with this really. I mean, really the big thing is the tome of Malcador will let you do most of what you need without giving up valuable warlord traits (I would still take Masterful Marksmen on phobos captain over this) since really when you only have 2-3 powers to pick from 2 tables, you can only have 1 odd one out. The main combos vary depending on what you want to dump on the opponent. Going Shadowstep, Spectral with veil of time gives your librarian re-rollable charge rolls and if you want to be super sure take the successor trait for +1 to charging. Tag him up with Shadowmaster for Overwatch deny, Whirlwind of rage for more attack chances (or take the psychic boost trait for more reliable powers) and there you go, a rather high effort pain in someones rear which can't be overwatched and gets to charge (re-rolling) for 8" anywhere on the board he can reach. After for more standard stuff...maybe consider being a cheap-o with double threat attempts where one libby is going for shadowstep and the other for temporal corridor. With the same set-up (+1 charge/advance and psychic boost), you now have one going for the back-line where the other runs up with temporal corridor (6 + 6 + 4 + 4 = 18". Those are two moves and two advances), hits them with enveloping darkness as his second power and charges because you made him a hero and gave him advance and charge warlord trait. They aren't smash captains but can certainly be ran in tandem with them as part of some weird "Avengers" package. Again though, a lot of effort and not worth it really imo. Fun though, Paint one Blue and the other Black and then dust off some bad dubbing and your best impressions of "Faker? Your not even good enough to be my fa-" "I'll make you eat those words" (because one teleports with chaos control and the other runs REALLY fast) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359829-high-scholar-of-the-librarius-and-rg/#findComment-5427519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinyRhino Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 I'll probably wait on the book, since there's nothing that overtly boosts my all-Phobos army plans. That's the falling down point of the list, that there's no support characters like Apothecaries or Chaplains. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359829-high-scholar-of-the-librarius-and-rg/#findComment-5427798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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