CCE1981 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Just took a look into the Warhammer Community for Faith and Fury, a little surprised I didn't see a post about it. Generic Space Marines standpoint Rumors confirmed about the Chaplain! Suggesting that the others will be the same! Surprises - Masters of the Chapter! - Does this mean Captains will get different abilities besides re-roll hit rolls? Chapter Litanies!!! - seeing as it is one page, probably just one per Supplement but nice! Chapter Ancient - What's this going to be? Chapter Champion - What's this going to be? About what is expected for our Crusader Brethren Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359832-faith-and-fury-warcomm/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmapa Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Chapter Ancient will probably be extra range or +1 to the last attack aura, I am very excited about these because all the Chapter/Company specialists being the same in the codex was the most stupid waste of an entry the codex has and Im glad now there's a reason for them to exist. I like Ancients so hopefully they'll get some cool relic and warlord trait and a buff to the Champion will also be very welcomed for my Black Templars so I can have 3 very killy characters and 4 if I want a Chaplain with the relic Crozius. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359832-faith-and-fury-warcomm/#findComment-5424143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Just hoping that there's Primaris equivalents where possible. Not expecting one for the Master of the Forge, and probably the Champion too, but we'll see. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359832-faith-and-fury-warcomm/#findComment-5424408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MistaGav Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 The UM supplement already has an option for a chapter champion and ancient so I am imagining it will be more of that but opened to everyone now through CP. I'm ok with that though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359832-faith-and-fury-warcomm/#findComment-5424737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Those are just for the actual models, from the Honour Guard kit. I'm hoping these are going to affect the Primaris equivalents as well, and that Primaris-only Chapters will have some way of replicating a Chapter Champion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359832-faith-and-fury-warcomm/#findComment-5425162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandragola Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 It looks to me like these will mostly work for Primaris stuff, with the exception of the champion and techmarine. From the chaplain one that we’ve seen, it looks like you’ll be able to play the strat on any chaplain – Primaris or not. I expect the same for the others – but of course for now there is no primaris techmarine or champion to use it on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359832-faith-and-fury-warcomm/#findComment-5425647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCE1981 Posted November 13, 2019 Author Share Posted November 13, 2019 But using the Iron Hands named techmarine as your “counts as” Master of the Forge with the Relic Techmarine armor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359832-faith-and-fury-warcomm/#findComment-5425838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Master of the Forge and Chapter/compny champ definitely need primaris variants. Hopefully that is what this will also be. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359832-faith-and-fury-warcomm/#findComment-5425974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Maybe allow a Primaris Lieutenant to be used in place of a Company Champion for the Stratagem? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359832-faith-and-fury-warcomm/#findComment-5425978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MistaGav Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 It would be pretty good if there was a stratagem or points upgrade to give them +1 atk, +1 wound and the relevant primaris keywords. Then I'd have a good excuse to get the Feirros model. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359832-faith-and-fury-warcomm/#findComment-5426182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 The section of F&F where these can be found doesn't seem to be marked as 'data sheets', in the way that the Black Templar datasheets in their section is... so maybe these are just rules sections that presents ways to upgrade any existing datasheets through keywords perhaps? So that you can for instance, upgrade any "apothecary" model to a 'chief apothecary' and so on? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359832-faith-and-fury-warcomm/#findComment-5426198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandragola Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 The section of F&F where these can be found doesn't seem to be marked as 'data sheets', in the way that the Black Templar datasheets in their section is... so maybe these are just rules sections that presents ways to upgrade any existing datasheets through keywords perhaps? So that you can for instance, upgrade any "apothecary" model to a 'chief apothecary' and so on? I'm pretty sure that's exactly what's been described. The master of sanctity one is a buff for a single chaplain, costing 1cp. It doesn't change anything except to give him another litany and let him use two litanies per turn - which is of course very powerful. You can use it on anything with the keyword "chaplain". https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/11/faith-fury-a-first-lookgw-homepage-post-3/ I don't know if the others will all be the same as that, but I expect they will be similar. Pick a Librarian, he's now a chief librarian and is somewhat better (maybe knows another power and can cast/deny once more, maybe a bonus to cast or whatever). I wonder if Tiggy will get a FAQ so you can't have another chief librarian as well as him. FWIW I kind of dislike this kind of thing. Marines are getting a ton of free bonuses at the moment. It’s impossible to balance these because they cost nothing. Piling more buffs on top of what’s already the top codex is very questionable, however characterful it might be. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359832-faith-and-fury-warcomm/#findComment-5426405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 I'm just very confused why these strats weren't included in the book that came out like 3 months earlier. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359832-faith-and-fury-warcomm/#findComment-5426419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 I'm just very confused why these strats weren't included in the book that came out like 3 months earlier. production time. these were probably written months after the space marine books got sent to production. and they probably didnt want another "space wolves codex" incident Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359832-faith-and-fury-warcomm/#findComment-5426428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruor Vault Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 I don't know if the others will all be the same as that, but I expect they will be similar. Pick a Librarian, he's now a chief librarian and is somewhat better (maybe knows another power and can cast/deny once more, maybe a bonus to cast or whatever). I wonder if Tiggy will get a FAQ so you can't have another chief librarian as well as him. Both Cassius and Tiggy already have the appropriate keywords to prevent stacking them, so no FAQ needed. Stratagems limit you to one CHIEF LIBRARIAN / MASTER OF SANCTITY in your army. Both Tiggy and Cassius have those respective keywords. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359832-faith-and-fury-warcomm/#findComment-5426467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandragola Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Cool. That’s sorted then. I’m very curious to see what the champion is like. I guess he’ll probably be a bit more badass than standard. I’ve got the Victoria guard models spare after making Marneus Calgar into Pedro for my Crimson Fists. They might make a great starting point for a chapter ancient and champion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359832-faith-and-fury-warcomm/#findComment-5426569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 I'm just very confused why these strats weren't included in the book that came out like 3 months earlier. production time. these were probably written months after the space marine books got sent to production. and they probably didnt want another "space wolves codex" incident Maybe? Everything is so pre-planned these days that its hard to give them the benefit of the doubt. Especially since the july white dwarf had chief librarian and a bunch of the new stuff in it already; the new marine rules have been planned for a while, but the masters of the chapter probably got cut to make PA2 more attractive to marine players. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359832-faith-and-fury-warcomm/#findComment-5426604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 I’m hoping for a Primaris Chapter Champion now . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359832-faith-and-fury-warcomm/#findComment-5426808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 If not, my Lieutenant will have to fill in for now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359832-faith-and-fury-warcomm/#findComment-5426840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandragola Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Well as others have said, don’t hold your breath. It looks unlikely that we’ll see new datasheet or models at this point. These just seem to be stratagems to upgrade existing models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359832-faith-and-fury-warcomm/#findComment-5426873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 new article up Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359832-faith-and-fury-warcomm/#findComment-5427144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FelipeFlops Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Chapter Litanies It’s been a great year for anyone who plays Ultramarines, White Scars, Iron Hands, Raven Guard, Imperial Fists or Salamanders with the release of their codex supplements* and new models. It’s about to get even better for these First Founding Chapters as Faith & Fury brings them each a new litany for their Chaplains to use. Use Medusan Furore on your Iron Hands to make them even better in close combat. Alongside these new Litanies, Space Marines characters of any Chapter can be upgraded to be part of Chapter Command through the use of a Stratagem. This makes your Chaplains, Techmarines, Librarians, Apothecaries, Ancients and Company Champions even better and also gives them access to new Warlord Traits and Relics. Let’s take a look at some of the new rules. Master of Sanctity When a Chaplain becomes the Master of Sanctity, they have ascended to be the spiritual leader of the Chapter. Give him a Sacrosanct Rosarius Relic so that he can take advantage of his closeness to the Emperor with improved protection. Master of the Forge Masters of the Forge are peerless mechanics, the best of the best Techmarines. Their skills are reflected in their upgrade Stratagem – the random element of how many wounds they repair on a vehicle is done away with, making it easier to plan your strategies. Chief Librarian Being a Chief Librarian is a prestigious position. Not only do they get to choose what fines to levy to any Battle Brothers that return copies of the Codex Astartes late, but they are also able to attempt to Deny an additional psychic power in your enemy’s Psychic phase.** Give them the Neural Shroud Relic to increase their chances to Deny the Witch at longer range. Chief Apothecary It’s time to turn your Apothecary into a supercharged battlefield medic. With the Selfless Healer Warlord Trait, you can provide medical attention to the same unit twice in a turn – never mind first aid, you could call this second aid! Chapter Ancient When upgraded, your Ancient has the choice of two Chapter Banner Relics to carry into battle. Give him the Standard of Righteous Hatred and make your Space Marines deadly accurate when they make their final, inspired attack. Chapter Champion Only the very best of Company Champions ever become the Chapter Champion. These are true masters with a blade, able to find the smallest gap in their enemy’s guard while easily defending themselves. Not only are the Masters of the Chapter amazing on the tabletop but they also open up some awesome conversion possibilities. For example, the Chaplain in Mk IV power armour would make an ideal base for a Master of Sanctity. Psychic Awakening: Faith & Fury is available to pre-order from Saturday. Get ready to field your Masters of the Chapter by picking up the Space Marines Company Command squad, which features an Ancient, an Apothecary and a Champion. * And with Faith & Fury, the Black Templars are also joining in the fun!** This will be really useful with all of those extra Chaos Space Marines Sorcerors that will be running around soon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359832-faith-and-fury-warcomm/#findComment-5427159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 bs2+ aura bubble is... wow Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359832-faith-and-fury-warcomm/#findComment-5427160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 It's when they die and get to act via the banner Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359832-faith-and-fury-warcomm/#findComment-5427162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruor Vault Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 bs2+ aura bubble is... wow It's only when resolving attacks granted by the banner upon model death. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359832-faith-and-fury-warcomm/#findComment-5427175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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