Dark Angels and chapter approved

[oldmanlee]

Hi all

So with chapter approved round the conner what if any points drop on units do you lot think we will see and what do you hope might drop in points ?

 

I would like to see land speeders and terminators drop in points myself

[Stormxlr]

I agree there with you I hope drop in LS and Terminators but also drop on Land Raiders and Vindicators. Drop for Deathwing Ancient, Champion and Apothecary by 20ish pointsm

I hope a drop on weapons like CML, Plasma Canon.

 

Most importantly they add more heavy weapon options to Cataphractii and Tartaros.

 

When did they remove the option for the autocannon on Tartaros but added assault canon ?

[Deadman Wade]

I hope for point cost drop for tacticals to make them 12 pts like in C:SM. It isn't much, but I usually take two 10-man squads, and 20 points total drop would be quite nice.

[Berzul]

I hope for drops in

 

Terminators

Attack Bikes

Command Squad units of all three kinds

Darkshroud

Landspeeder vengeance

[Angel of Solitude]

When both the Deathwing Ancient and Deathwing Champion both cost more than the new OP Iron Hands Iron Father, then you know that Deathwing need to have their points dropped. A lot! Also, by extension I wonder if you could justify a 70pt price difference between Azrael and the Iron Father...I'm not sure you can.

 

Land Speeders and Whirlwinds need a price drop to bring them in line with the latest Space Marine codex, and I'd like to think the Inceptor Plasma exterminators get a price drop too.

 

Don't think a price drop on Vindicators would really help much. 24" range means you need to move them, and so Power of the Machine Spirit would be better here.

[Grimdark_Garage]

All our characters. Outside of that I think I'm OK.

[ValourousHeart]

Price and power drop for speeders.

In light of the SM Skilled rider strat, I'd like to see Jink revamped.

[Solrac]

At minimum points should drop for all units in line with the SM codex, however seeing how we don't get doctrines and improved doctrines, in a perfect world our units should cost less than the SM codex and then points would re-adjust if or when we get a new DA codex.

 

I think it's getting harder and harder for GW to adjust points because certain units can't really go much lower without affecting other units from other factions. I think they need to bite the bullet and double the points of every unit in the game and 4000pt games becomes the new 2000pt games. This will give GW a comfortable amount of points to better tune the units as the meta progresses. Doesn't change the physical size or the time to play either.

 

I also believe that every piece of gear (with the exception of relics) or upgrade in the game should have a points value even if it's only 1 pt. This includes psychic powers. But this is a conversation for another time lol

[cernunnos]

I haven't played for a while, so my recent game was the first using shock assault.  I was very happy with the boost it gave, especially to my ravenwing bikers and assault marines.  However, there is a 30 point difference in the cost of the two units I field for units that do broadly the same damage and have similar mobility and wounds.  Whether the T5 is offset by the vulnerability to D2 weapons I don't know, but it certainly feels like they should be closer in cost or if anything assault marines cheaper. 

 

The Deathwing Knights were brutal on the charge (well even more so than before).  I wonder if we might see a slight increase for them.  I hope not, it's not like our army is broken, but it wouldn't surprise me. 

 

Otherwise I agree, the Deathwing characters seem due a drop in the current climate and the land speeders seem too expensive too. 

[Angel of Solitude]

I'd be amazed if DWK got any kind of increase. Yes, they are brutal on the charge if they are successful...but in a competitive game, you can spend that many points to ultimately have to rely on a 9+ dice role. There are other units in other factions that are more effective and successful on the charge and cost fewer points.

[Neuralshock]

Spoiler alert, we're getting squated

 

in all seriousness I don't expect any radical changes in CA, the issues in the DA book are bigger than cheaper landspeers and I don't see those changes coming until PA 5 or whenever it's supposed to come.

[Harleqvin]

I agree there with you I hope drop in LS and Terminators but also drop on Land Raiders and Vindicators. Drop for Deathwing Ancient, Champion and Apothecary by 20ish pointsm

I hope a drop on weapons like CML, Plasma Canon.

Most importantly they add more heavy weapon options to Cataphractii and Tartaros.

When did they remove the option for the autocannon on Tartaros but added assault canon ?

What are you talking about?

Tartaros still have reaper autocannon.

[cernunnos]

I'd be amazed if DWK got any kind of increase. Yes, they are brutal on the charge if they are successful...but in a competitive game, you can spend that many points to ultimately have to rely on a 9+ dice role. There are other units in other factions that are more effective and successful on the charge and cost fewer points.

This would be my argument too for keeping them the same. Powerful but ultimately unreliable due to their lack of speed and reliable charging. It’s more that they were previously costed before shock assault and they have had a significant boost due to how powerful each attack is so, while it’s not something I feel is necessary, I wouldn’t be surprised to see it change.

[oldmanlee]

Well looks like chapter approved is out on the 7th not a long wait hope we get some points drops. Not as good as a new codex but We can but hope we get that next year

[G8Keeper]

Well looks like chapter approved is out on the 7th not a long wait hope we get some points drops. Not as good as a new codex but We can but hope we get that next year

 

Fingers crossed and begin chant, "please reduce special characters, please reduce special characters."

[Angel of Solitude]

So, a 4pt reduction to Ravenwing Black Knights. I guess that's 32 points saving in a squad of 8...hopefully that's not the only point reduction we see!

 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/25/chapter-approved-points-updates-to-look-out-forgw-homepage-post-1/

 

Also: "Chapter Approved gives the Dark Angels an update in line with their Codex-adherent kin."

 

What does that mean?

Edited November 25, 2019 by Angel of Solitude

[Berzul]

It meas GW knows how to tease and create hype

[G8Keeper]

"If you love iconic units like Ravenwing Black Knights, you’ll love this update"  - gets me hopeful for Deathwing drops at the very least.

[Berzul]

DW character point drops!

 

Pleeeeeeease, let it be DW character point drops!

[Noneisbackhere]

So, a 4pt reduction to Ravenwing Black Knights. I guess that's 32 points saving in a squad of 8...hopefully that's not the only point reduction we see!

 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/25/chapter-approved-points-updates-to-look-out-forgw-homepage-post-1/

 

Also: "Chapter Approved gives the Dark Angels an update in line with their Codex-adherent kin."

 

What does that mean?

 

Interesting wording indeed. So updated set of rules within the CA pages now?

[oldmanlee]

It's an ok points drop still would not take them over inceptors lets hope for some more drops

[Angel of Solitude]

So the new PA stuff for Blood Angels showcased today on Warhammer Community explicity references a "super" Assault Doctrine:

 

 

That leads me to believe that in CA, SW/DA/BA will get Combat Doctrines, while in PA we'll get updated units/litanies/pyschic powers/stratagems.

[Isual]

So the new PA stuff for Blood Angels showcased today on Warhammer Community explicity references a "super" Assault Doctrine:

 

 

 

That leads me to believe that in CA, SW/DA/BA will get Combat Doctrines, while in PA we'll get updated units/litanies/pyschic powers/stratagems.

 

 

To quote from the same article:

 

 

 

 They now have the Angels of Death ability, which gives them access to And They Shall Know No Fear, Bolter Discipline, Shock Assault and Combat Doctrines. The Assault Doctrine is going to prove very popular with Blood Angels players thanks to their unique Chapter trait.

 

Seems to me like they get Combat doctrines from PA, not CA.

Edited November 25, 2019 by Isual

[Angel of Solitude]

Eh, you’re probably correct there! Oh well. We shall just have to wait and see...

[Guest MistaGav]

I'm hoping that BA would get access to the masters of the chapter like the SM codex did in PA:2 so then this could mean Dark Angels, Space Wolves get it as well. Would be even better if our terminator/biker special characters got a nice boost from that.