Nothing for necrons in ca 2019?

[Beatnik cryptek]

The latest rumor is that necrons will get nothing in ca 2019 except maybe a few price increases on some units.

 

One really unconfirmed rumor is immortals might get 2 wounds. But there's nothing to verify that besides wishful thinking.

 

You muhreens got a lot this year. The chose boys gut an updated codex and new rules like the more dkscordant, havocs that can move and fire heavy weapons without penalty, new rituals, buffed apostles, etc.

 

Spess muhreens got the Matt ward codex that pretty much gives them a +1 AP to whole classes of weapons on demand, bolter discipline, ad infinitum.

 

The psychic awakening left goodies in a lot of stockings but left nothing but a treaming pile of fresh plop for the necrons and maybe the Tau.

 

Now chapter approved 2019 looks like it's going to be another big middle finger in the face of the necron players.

 

Maybe it's time necron plkayers stop buying any gw product until gw makes some real serious improvements to necrons. Icm going to wait till I see what's in ca 2019 and if as it looks like necrons get the finger again i'm going to take any gw items off my Christmas list and not give gw a cent until we get something that gives us a chance against spess muhreen armies again.

[Halandaar]

Chapter Approved hasn't been used as a vehicle for new faction rules previously and you shouldn't expect it to this year either; the main thing it does is rebalance points costs and add some new missions and open-play datasheets. Expecting more from it is setting yourself up to be disappointed; that's not what CA is for.

 

As for Psychic Awakening, you're writing off the entire series when the second book isn't even out yet. GW said there would be something for everybody and specifically included Necrons in their image. So far, we've had 2 books confirmed and one teased, each featuring only 2 factions each (PA1 - Dark Eldar/Carftworld Eldar; PA2 Space Marines/Chaos Space Marines; PA3 Blood Angels/Tyranids). If they carry on with this pattern then there are potentially another 7 books to come.

 

Necrons can expect the same treatment everybody else seems to be getting (new Warlord Traits, Artefacts, Stratagems and potentially updated datasheets) as and when the book containing them comes out.

[Beatnik cryptek]

I'm betting the necorns will get the last PA book.

[Closet Skeleton]

There are no reliable rumours for chapter approved so there's nothing that can be said about it.

 

Chapter Approved hasn't been used as a vehicle for new faction rules previously and you shouldn't expect it to this year either; the main thing it does is rebalance points costs and add some new missions and open-play datasheets. Expecting more from it is setting yourself up to be disappointed; that's not what CA is for.

 

There have been two chapter approved books for 8th ed, one literally had a bunch of stuff for every index army and the other one had a beta codex and a bunch of datasheets.

[Halandaar]

There have been two chapter approved books for 8th ed, one literally had a bunch of stuff for every index army and the other one had a beta codex and a bunch of datasheets.

 

Okay true, factions that didn't currently have Codexes each got a Warlord Trait, Stratagem and Artefact in CA2017. I view the Sisters Beta Codex a bit differently as it was very much described as a work-in-progress there to generate feedback, rather than an intended sweeping update to the faction. But yes, I suppose you could say that it was updated faction rules in CA2018. The datasheets however were just consolidations of updates that had appeared in other sources; they weren't strictly new content.

 

Regardless, there's no reason to expect CA2019 will have any Necron updates other than points changes when the vehicle GW is currently using to roll out new rules for all factions (Psychic Awakening) is underway and ongoing.

[BaconCouch]

I mean. I called we weren't gonna get anything in PA for a long, long time. 

[Tyriks]

We have been explicitly told by GW we will get something in PA so I see no reason we wouldn't.

 

As for Chapter Approved, there is no reason to assume the worst when we have absolutely no information at all to go off of. They could decide to make major changes or none at all - without at least something to go on, there's really no reason to jump to conclusions.

[Kaldoth]

Well, first preview for CA went up today by GW. So far only one unit has been previewed. Triarch Praetorians are going down to 20 pts a piece with rods or 22 pts a piece with blades and casters. There was also a picture in the comments that showed the Deciever getting a hefty reduction from 225 down to 180! That's a massive chunk of points off of him, which hopefully means the Nightbringer and Transcendent will follow suit :D Points drops are definitely a bandaid and not an actual fix, but I'll happily take a bandaid for the axe wound that is or codex right now over nothing at all.

[Tyriks]

Some of our actual army problems will be fixed with points fixes. For example, RP will matter more if we can get more bodies on the table (relative to our opponent).

 

I think if the changes we've seen are indicative of the whole and our stuff wins out relative to other armies, we could be decent again. No, we aren't going to suddenly dominate competitive scenes (unless they really go overboard, anyway) but we could become a moderately good faction. My fear is our vehicles will go up because some are 'auto-includes,' which will hurt a lot since we bring them not because they're too good but because we don't have other options for anti armor.

[Daimyo-Phaeron Lenoch]

If Praetorians go down, it might be reasonable to hope that Lychguard go down as well. If they do I will be a very happy Phaeron.

[Tyriks]

If Praetorians go down, it might be reasonable to hope that Lychguard go down as well. If they do I will be a very happy Phaeron.

WHC article is the source on Praetorians so its about as safe a bet as you can get. I also hope Lychguard go down, but Praetorians makes me happy. The Blood Angel in me always loves seeing jump units so I field Praetorians a lot already anyway.

 

I'm very hopeful we will see some characters go down (as in just about every character besides maybe Overlords and Imotekh), Deathmarks, and troops. If we get cheaper HQs and troops I won't feel as bad bringing overpriced stuff like the Monolith even if it stays the same as it is now.

[NTaW]

Some critical point adjustments in the downward direction would do well to bring new/more units to the table I think. I'll echo Tyrik's sentiment about our (two) anti-armour units not wanting point increases but I suspect it will happen regardless thanks to their prominence in tournaments. It would be nice if, in lieu of rules that bring back the previous nature of gauss weaponry, those units remained as they are but other units dropped to levels where the choice wasn't so obvious to make.

[NTaW]

Speaking of points adjustments.

 

This isn't everything but it's most of our units from CA2019 (not my screenshot, lifted it from Fb). Get your de-blurring glasses out:

 

 

Haven't had much time to look at it myself yet but it looks like good things.

[Tyriks]

Some stuff that never sees the table is going down, but not much. The one list you ever see in competitive scenarios is mostly unchanged. I doubt it'll change much for us competitively. Casually, it will hurt less to bring cool models in a lot of instances

Since I'm building some Canoptek Tomb Sentinels/Stalker I'm keen to see the FW page

[jgascoine011]

Pff, looks pretty terrible

Oh yay, we got minor points reductions...but so did everyone else so...

 

Immortals stayed the same

Warriors stayed the same

Tomb Blades stayed the same

Destroyers stayed the same

DDA stayed the same

 

Wraiths did get a minor points drop whoop

So did the HQ choices.

Alot of units that were never taken got points reductions (Ghost ark and C'tans seem to have got good point reductions).

 

So basically, things that were already taken stayed the same, things that were never taken got a point reduction.

However point reductions is not what is needed to help out necrons terrible state. RULES CHANGES are what is needed.

 

Praetorians are not taken because they have terrible weapons.

They are great at kiling infantry in a codex that excells at killing Infantry.

 

Annhiliation Barges are not taken for the same reason.

 

Night Scythes are not taken because you need atleast 2 of them, at which point you are eating into your points which you need for anti tank. Which would be fine if there weapons were not terrible. 

 

Lynch Guard are not taken because they have no delivery system other than the night scythes...which as stated are terrible.

 

Deathmarks are not taken because they are terrible snipers and are elites.

As troops or with better weapons they may have seen action

 

Between this and the Deathguard leaks i am pretty dissapointed.

Just a cash grab by GW.

"Oh lets not fix the issues with the army but just reduce points so you can buy more stuff."

[Daimyo-Phaeron Lenoch]

I like most of it, but I’m not recalling what a monolith’s current point value is. Is 300pts higher or lower?

Good to see lychguard are only 1 pt more than praetorians.

[jgascoine011]

I like most of it, but I’m not recalling what a monolith’s current point value is. Is 300pts higher or lower?

Good to see lychguard are only 1 pt more than praetorians.

 

Monolith got a whooping 20pt drop...can deffinetly see me taking them now.

I mean T8 with 3+ save is just going to change the entire meta.

The only problem with them before was costing 320pts instead of 300

[Mr4Minutes]

Points reductions are always good. With cheaper HQs and general points reductions elsewhere may make it more feasible to run double bat for CP.

 

Will any of this make Necrons a top tier ITC army? No, probably not. But it will give more options for playing them.

 

Necrons need their 2.0/9th edition codex. Conceptually they’re still running on GWs initial ideas for strategems and dynasty/chapter traits. But that’s not going to get fixed in CA.

[NTaW]

I am OK with this. Nothing stellar but it seems like a best-case-scenario where the tournament takes haven't been bumped up and some of the less-seen options got drops. It will be nice to see the second page with (presumably) the rest of the melee weapons, other wargear, and Forgeworld points.

 

The 1750 point list I've been playing drops by 128. Anyone else have a bit more room in their lists?

[Captain_Krash]

Just terrible...battalions are still going to be stupid expensive....this didn't help Necrons at all. GW is doing some weird things with all these point drops...like pretty soon 2000pts is going to be apocalypse sized games.

 

Krash

[NTaW]

My buddy was just saying that he felt 2k point games were pretty big. If I add units to get back to 1750 I would have 1902 by pre-CA points values. Haven't run the numbers on my 2k list but I imagine it will be similar. Seems like every year I get to add a unit or two to my lists for sure.

[Kaldoth]

Anyone get eyes on the FW chapter approved changes?

[NTaW]

Just listened to a youtube video for the missing points. Not the worst, Crypteks stay the same but the plastic Overlord with scythe and orb has dropped a fair bit.

 

Voidblade 4

Voidscythe 12

Warscythe 9

Whip Coils 4

 

Canoptek Cloak 5

Chronometron 15

Dispersion Shield 6

Fabricator Claw Array 5

Gloom Prism 5

Nebuloscope 2

Phylactery 10

Resurrection Orb 18

Shadowloom 5

Shield Vanes 3

 

If no one else does before me I'll find the Necron changes for FW when I have time later.

Edited November 30, 2019 by NTaW

[Kaldoth]

Necrons FW points changes (don't have the old CA in front of me, so I don't really have a frame of reference for how much they've changed if at all)

Acantharites - 42 
Tomb Sentinel- 130
Tomb Stalker- 110

Gauss Pylon- 475

Night Shroud Bomber-185

Sentry Pylon- 70

Tesseract Ark- 160

Tomb Citadel- 730

Seraptek Heavy Construct- 325
Worldkiller-200

Toholk (or whatever his name is)- 125

 

 

 

Edit:  I just realized something as well. Heavy Destroyers are now 37 pts a piece including their weapons.  Might these actually be worth taking now for an anti tank option? A squad of three would run you 111 points. Guaranteed three shots a turn with reroll hits on ones, easier to hide than a Doomsday Ark, cheaper than a Doomsday Ark, and they can benefit from Hardwired for Hatred/Translocation Crypts. 

 

Edit 2: Managed to give my CA18 PDF a look. Not bad reductions on the units that really needed it. Though, am I losing my mind here, or did they cut the Seraptek by 300 points?!?! Wasn't it 625 points before??? Maybe the youtube video I watched with the guy who was reading off the points messed up when he read it. If not... That is absolutely ridiculous IMO. The Seraptek is a beast and only costs 25 points more than a Monolith??? Can't be.

Edited November 30, 2019 by Kaldoth

[Daimyo-Phaeron Lenoch]

Ah, yes. The Seraptek used to be 625 points. I should know, I painted one for ETL. I sincerely doubt they dropped it 300 points. If they did my GW group is going to hate me.

I, on the other hand, am going to love it. Maybe they put prices on the weapons? They were zero, it could be they’re a hundred a piece or so. I could see that justifying the point drop.