Exorcist in the new codex

[BaldrickRSA]

Hello all,

 

I have not read/found anything on the Exorist in the new code . Does anyone know if it’s still deadly? D6x S8 shots? Points costs? Other? I generally always run with three of these in my SOB lists as I just love them, so I am very nervous if GW have nerfed them in the new codex....

[Purifying Tempest]

3d3 shots, STR 8, -3 (changed) AP, 1d6 damage.  BELIEVE it is still 48", but don't quote me on that specific number, the rest of the line is accurate though.  The 3d3 shots was a nice boost, but I think it went up a good bit in points, too.  I THINK it also has a hull-mounted Heavy Bolter now as well?  Not entirely sure about that one, but I know the Immolator got one.  I do know the price went up, and I'm wanting to say in like the 160 range.  Mixed bag, but probably still going to be the mainstay for the artillery role.

 

Edit: it may be closer to the 170 range, so definitely in that LRBT tier of cost.  But does not have the grinding advance.  Also, it now has an alternative turret for infantry, but it is a list-building choice, not a firing mode.

[Slasher956]

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356166-bsb-speculation/?p=5427926

 

link to lemondish's post with the stats....

[taikishi]

Exorcist is 140 with the Conflagration rockets turret (S5, 3d6, -2 Save, 1 damage), or 170 for the Exorcist launcher (S8, 3d3, -3 save, d6 damage). This includes the cost of the mandatory heavy bolter it is now equipped with.

[A.T.]

More firepower, less durability (now that the 4++ is gone), and higher cost.

 

At 3d3 shots you can't faith them up cheaply, butI think saving the faith for damage rolls is probably the better return. Overall it's a better alpha-strike if you go first, and worse for you if you go second against an opponent with enough firepower to wear them out.

[taikishi]

You also can't faith the number of shots, but there's a stratagem that lets you re-roll the dice to determine how many shots you get.

[Lemondish]

More firepower, less durability (now that the 4++ is gone), and higher cost.

 

At 3d3 shots you can't faith them up cheaply, butI think saving the faith for damage rolls is probably the better return. Overall it's a better alpha-strike if you go first, and worse for you if you go second against an opponent with enough firepower to wear them out.

You cannot Faith them at all, let alone cheaply.

 

You do have a Stratagem that can help here, though.

[taikishi]

Pretty sure he means the hit, wound and damage rolls, not the number of shots

[Servant of Dante]

Each unit can only use 1 AoF a phase unless some rule lets them do more right?

[Commander Dawnstar]

Each unit can only use 1 AoF a phase unless some rule lets them do more right?

 

Mhm. Baseline your entire army can only use one AoF per phase (as I understand it at least), so without some additional rule (like a Simulacrum Imperialis) to allow you to use any additional Acts you haven't even got the option of throwing more than one at a unit.

 

A single unit can use more than one but it need permission to use additional Acts for that to be possible.

[ERJAK]

Each unit can only use 1 AoF a phase unless some rule lets them do more right?

There are many rules that let them do more aofs/reuse dice so it's not unreasonable to assume you might simply guarantee a kill on something.

 

Strat to reroll shots, use a bunch of 3-4s for hits, strat to reuse them for wounds, use TSK or something to AoF damage rolls. Could mess around an waste a leviathan or bop a flyer. Assuming that's how it works at least.

 

They're still overpriced at 170 though.

[CaptainMarsh]

Both profiles have good utility depending on target. They also benefit from Convictions- Valorous Heart Exorcist ignores AP-1 and has a 6+ FnP. Overall I think it is mostly a sidegrade. It has more capability and reliability now, but costs more to boot.

[ERJAK]

Both profiles have good utility depending on target. They also benefit from Convictions- Valorous Heart Exorcist ignores AP-1 and has a 6+ FnP. Overall I think it is mostly a sidegrade. It has more capability and reliability now, but costs more to boot.

Benefiting from convictions isn't really a bonus. No one's shooting AP-1 at a T8 vehicle and 6+ FNP is a poor consolation at best and that's the one it actually benefits from.

 

If it had been 160 with HB i would have said it was a sidegrade. AT 150 it would be a pretty good upgrade, at 170 it's slightly worse.

[hhhdan]

 

Both profiles have good utility depending on target. They also benefit from Convictions- Valorous Heart Exorcist ignores AP-1 and has a 6+ FnP. Overall I think it is mostly a sidegrade. It has more capability and reliability now, but costs more to boot.

Benefiting from convictions isn't really a bonus. No one's shooting AP-1 at a T8 vehicle and 6+ FNP is a poor consolation at best and that's the one it actually benefits from.

 

If it had been 160 with HB i would have said it was a sidegrade. AT 150 it would be a pretty good upgrade, at 170 it's slightly worse.

But at least half the anti tank weapons are -2 (like all of tau weapons, majority of marine weapons (thunderfires, whirlwinds, stormhawks, invictor, all but main fun of repressor, etc) and yes imperial fists will go for more shots rather than higher strength, so will shoot those weapons at tanks).

 

So having tanks with ignore -2 and 6++/6+++ should be ok. Unless fighting vs all grav lists or triple knights with meltas etc

[Montford]

 

Both profiles have good utility depending on target. They also benefit from Convictions- Valorous Heart Exorcist ignores AP-1 and has a 6+ FnP. Overall I think it is mostly a sidegrade. It has more capability and reliability now, but costs more to boot.

Benefiting from convictions isn't really a bonus. No one's shooting AP-1 at a T8 vehicle and 6+ FNP is a poor consolation at best and that's the one it actually benefits from.

 

If it had been 160 with HB i would have said it was a sidegrade. AT 150 it would be a pretty good upgrade, at 170 it's slightly worse.

 

 

Judging by the past 2+ years of 8th Edition points adjustments I expect the Exorcists points to be lowered at some point in the future.

[Slasher956]

 

 

Both profiles have good utility depending on target. They also benefit from Convictions- Valorous Heart Exorcist ignores AP-1 and has a 6+ FnP. Overall I think it is mostly a sidegrade. It has more capability and reliability now, but costs more to boot.

Benefiting from convictions isn't really a bonus. No one's shooting AP-1 at a T8 vehicle and 6+ FNP is a poor consolation at best and that's the one it actually benefits from.

 

If it had been 160 with HB i would have said it was a sidegrade. AT 150 it would be a pretty good upgrade, at 170 it's slightly worse.

 

 

Judging by the past 2+ years of 8th Edition points adjustments I expect the Exorcists points to be lowered at some point in the future.

 

 

looking at the original Index cost & compare that to the 'dex version

 

for ~20 points (IIRC) more we get 3D3 (3 -9 average of 6 )shots instead of D6 (av 3)  with 1 less AP, a heavy bolter  & access to convictions....

 

So can we expect a 20 point drop next year?

[Arkaniss]

The 1D6 number of shots was always my main issue with the Exorcist, 3D3 seems like a nice improvement! A minimum of 3 is a big step up as far as I'm concerned. As for the other changes I will see how they play out. It's difficult to get a handle on points costs right now I feel, I might have a better idea when I have the codex and can see how everything pans out points-wise.

 

Regardless of the end result I can't see myself benching them. To me they're too useful and too awesome a model to get bogged down in if they're worth their points

[Slasher956]

The 1D6 number of shots was always my main issue with the Exorcist, 3D3 seems like a nice improvement! A minimum of 3 is a big step up as far as I'm concerned. As for the other changes I will see how they play out. It's difficult to get a handle on points costs right now I feel, I might have a better idea when I have the codex and can see how everything pans out points-wise.

 

Regardless of the end result I can't see myself benching them. To me they're too useful and too awesome a model to get bogged down in if they're worth their points

 

Agree!  My only 'issue' is how to put a HB on to the metal plate that both mine have (and 1 of my immolators...) without spoiling the look....

 

Due to the lack of arcs in this game I think I might have to just sponson it off to one side :s  

[Arkaniss]

Yes the hull HB did cause some frowning on my part. I've decided to just not model them. I love the Exorcist model and I'm not gonna muck about with it trying to bodge a HB onto it. I have to say I'm not sure what they were thinking adding one, I don't think it really needed it

[RolandTHTG]

Might I suggest that instead of molding on a single sponson like some degenerate mutant, you instead put it in a imperial sanctioned pintle mount? 

 

I'd find a mounting piece similar to the ones in the FW Space Marine Pintle set or the IG Tank Accessories and put a Heavy Bolter looking gun on it. 

Admittedly, this is easier to fit on the old Exorcist than the old Immolators, but I think it is something that will work without having to do extensive vehicle surgery. 

[Servant of Dante]

Or just don’t add a HB to the old model and just remember it’s there :D it’s not like where it is on the model matters in 8E, and since it’s not even optional I wouldn’t think WYSIWYG would be that big a deal

[Mekhitar]

Didn’t the exo go up from 125 to 170? That’s 45 pts, more than 30% increase. It is a better tank, but it is also much more expensive.

[Lemondish]

Didn’t the exo go up from 125 to 170? That’s 45 pts, more than 30% increase. It is a better tank, but it is also much more expensive.

 

Yeah, 35 point premium for the changes to the weapon and additional new rules it seems, plus an extra 10 for the mandatory heavy bolter. 

 

I personally have no problem with the heavy bolter. I'll always take more of a good thing. 

[CaptainMarsh]

Let us not forgot the other option, which is 30 points cheaper. 48", 3D6, S5, AP-2, 1D. Likely not all that in most cases but not a bad profile on its own.

[ERJAK]

 

 

Both profiles have good utility depending on target. They also benefit from Convictions- Valorous Heart Exorcist ignores AP-1 and has a 6+ FnP. Overall I think it is mostly a sidegrade. It has more capability and reliability now, but costs more to boot.

Benefiting from convictions isn't really a bonus. No one's shooting AP-1 at a T8 vehicle and 6+ FNP is a poor consolation at best and that's the one it actually benefits from.

 

If it had been 160 with HB i would have said it was a sidegrade. AT 150 it would be a pretty good upgrade, at 170 it's slightly worse.

But at least half the anti tank weapons are -2 (like all of tau weapons, majority of marine weapons (thunderfires, whirlwinds, stormhawks, invictor, all but main fun of repressor, etc) and yes imperial fists will go for more shots rather than higher strength, so will shoot those weapons at tanks).

 

So having tanks with ignore -2 and 6++/6+++ should be ok. Unless fighting vs all grav lists or triple knights with meltas etc

I was thinking more along the lines of stormcannon Leviathans and Lascannon contemptor mortis and just about everything Eldar have for anti-tank.

 

No matter what though, it won't be as good in blind opponent cases (such as tournaments) as a 4++ and the damage it gained doesn't seem like its enough to offset that AND the 45pt increase.

 

I could be wrong, but 510 for 3 of them is basically mandatory and pretty oof.