Morticon Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share Posted November 25, 2019 "Most people" put him in drop pods and/or SR's to protect him before casting WoS, so it does make a difference. That WoS drop trick was booted years ago, bud :/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360042-mephiston-new-rule-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-5433568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share Posted November 25, 2019 He will be salvageable with unique strats, or a big discount. I dont foresee either. In the current marine meta, he's unlikely to see play from me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360042-mephiston-new-rule-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-5433575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeblerartillery Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 He will be salvageable with unique strats, or a big discount. I dont foresee either. In the current marine meta, he's unlikely to see play from me. Best looking Phobos Libby out there Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360042-mephiston-new-rule-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-5433586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
redshadow Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Really.... maybe I see somethings different but he’ll be an auto include in my lists Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360042-mephiston-new-rule-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-5433595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 I agree, Mephy looks pretty competitive. When he got a price bump in the last CA, I started to lean towards the Libby Dread in that role. If he stays the same price then with +1A/+1W, he looks to be back in contention IMHO. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360042-mephiston-new-rule-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-5434901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tychobi Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Missed opportunity. I am uninspired. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360042-mephiston-new-rule-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-5435043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted November 27, 2019 Author Share Posted November 27, 2019 Really.... maybe I see somethings different but he’ll be an auto include in my lists Share why!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360042-mephiston-new-rule-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-5435257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
redshadow Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 For 160pts He’s a threat from turn one Hard to kill Can be used for counter attack or protection Can easily clear an objective of chaff He’s an absolute beast in combat He can deny 2 powers Has enormous reach He’s not cpt slam but he plays a different roll Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360042-mephiston-new-rule-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-5435347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remtek Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 I prefer the libby dread, but if our other units become more viable it will be nice to slot him in being able to know 3 powers so he can have wings/quicken unleash rage or shield (hoping it will come back to 4++) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360042-mephiston-new-rule-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-5435406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 PA3 still refers to the BA Codex for psychic powers so we may not get any changes there. CA19 is a possibility but usually focuses on points changes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360042-mephiston-new-rule-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-5435418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Added this to the wrong thread. Too many Mephiston titles. My bad! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360042-mephiston-new-rule-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-5435423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remtek Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Having an extra 6 inches on boil blood is huge too when playing vs deathwath or similar. That power has been so good in some matchups, but the range is very short. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360042-mephiston-new-rule-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-5435429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 The problem with Blood Boil is that it's usually better to just cast Smite unless you want to snipe a specific unit. Same with Blood Lance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360042-mephiston-new-rule-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-5435440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remtek Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 The problem with Blood Boil is that it's usually better to just cast Smite unless you want to snipe a specific unit. Same with Blood Lance. You can cast both :D last game vs deathwatch he did 6 mortals to a vet unit (with some hot rolling) Charging into 3+ invuls can be sad at times. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360042-mephiston-new-rule-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-5435461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 The problem with Blood Boil is that it's usually better to just cast Smite unless you want to snipe a specific unit. Same with Blood Lance. You can cast both last game vs deathwatch he did 6 mortals to a vet unit (with some hot rolling) Charging into 3+ invuls can be sad at times. Or you could another useful power like wings or shield or such. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360042-mephiston-new-rule-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-5435469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 The problem with Blood Boil is that it's usually better to just cast Smite unless you want to snipe a specific unit. Same with Blood Lance. You can cast both last game vs deathwatch he did 6 mortals to a vet unit (with some hot rolling) Charging into 3+ invuls can be sad at times. Or you could another useful power like wings or shield or such. :P To be fair we are talking about the libby dread. I just posted in the wrong thread. If both mephiston and libby dread are on the board the new relic would be a positive for things like blood boil etx. If you've already spent wings and shield on meph. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360042-mephiston-new-rule-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-5435478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 The problem with Blood Boil is that it's usually better to just cast Smite unless you want to snipe a specific unit. Same with Blood Lance. You can cast both last game vs deathwatch he did 6 mortals to a vet unit (with some hot rolling) Charging into 3+ invuls can be sad at times. Or you could another useful power like wings or shield or such. To be fair we are talking about the libby dread. I just posted in the wrong thread. If both mephiston and libby dread are on the board the new relic would be a positive for things like blood boil etx. If you've already spent wings and shield on meph. To be also fair, Wings and Shield are about the two most useful powers on a Libby Dread just as they are on Mephiston. They kinda occupy the exact same role in a list so I'd never take them together anyway. ^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360042-mephiston-new-rule-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-5435480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remtek Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Sometimes you play against armies that will be in your face all game where wings is not 100% mandatory, but i agree it quickening and wings are the main staples. Food for thought tho! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360042-mephiston-new-rule-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-5435565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnorriSnorrison Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Yeah Meph and a Libby dread seem exclusive, it’s either the one or the other because of the powers they both need. I’d always add the humble JP Librarian to to either one, with shield and unleash rage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360042-mephiston-new-rule-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-5435630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Wings and Quickening = mandatory. Shield and Unleash = nice to haves (a 4++ from Shield like in the Index would be different). Blood Boil and Lance = meh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360042-mephiston-new-rule-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-5435706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronos1985 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 I am thinking I may just do Mephy, and Phobos Librarian as my support caster. I still think Shield of Sanguinius is a very good cast, and the Phobos Librarian fits that role nicely with where its points are at. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360042-mephiston-new-rule-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-5435747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 He will be salvageable with unique strats, or a big discount. I dont foresee either. In the current marine meta, he's unlikely to see play from me. Looks like Mehpy is back down to 145 points. That is about the price of a Libby dread and I would say he compares very favourably. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360042-mephiston-new-rule-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-5435844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
redshadow Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Me too 145pts he’s a no-brainier, can’t believe he’s so cheap Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360042-mephiston-new-rule-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-5435860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted November 28, 2019 Author Share Posted November 28, 2019 Me too 145pts he’s a no-brainier, can’t believe he’s so cheap I think there would still be a toss up between a lib dread and him, tbh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360042-mephiston-new-rule-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-5435953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unseen Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Yeah The dread hits harder and more reliably with wisdom of the ancients, -4 AP vs -3, and flat 3 damage vs d3, but Mephiston is slightly harder to kill, knows a 3Rd power, and is INFANTRY. So pretty similar. A pure beatstick? Librarian dread. A beatstick who can also throw out a buff spell when needed, Mephiston. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360042-mephiston-new-rule-thoughts/page/4/#findComment-5436062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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