Sisters of Battle army box canoness issue

[Archaeinox]

I've seen plenty of SoB army set boxes where on the back it shows the Multi Part Canoness (the one they previewed on the warcom page) but each review shows that single pose mini is included instead.

 

Has this been addressed? None of the big reviewers I have seen mentioned it.

 

If I opened the box expecting that multipart model I'd be a little upset. I almost picked one up until I saw it must be a mistake or something.

 

This is a problem! 

Edited November 27, 2019 by Archaeinox

[Trokair]

I don’t know if this is just an issue with just preview copies or with the general releases as the general releases has not happened yet.

 

That said, while the back of the box does appear to have the wrong model pictured, all other images of the content clearly show the one poses canoness without options. So it is not as if you don’t know what you are buying.

 

 Yes ideally they should not have used an outdated image for the box, but given the short development cycle of these compared to the normal development cycle it probably was due to a change after the boxes where printed. I would be surprised if the multi-part canoness in the picture was actually the multipart kit as it will come out with the main releases and fully expect it to be an early render that they had to change round.

 

So no I don’t think it has been addressed, but until we know that they are all like this rather than just the preview copies I don’t think it is a problem. Preview material is often not finalized contents.

 

As for none of the reviewers mentioning it, most seem to be less aware of what has been happening than us lot here who have watched everything over the last two years very carefully. I suspect they all saw the same image from GW as us as to what the box does contain and therefore did not look to close at the back of the box to notice that what that one picture shows is different that was on display everywhere and what is actually in the box.     

[1126PLL]

Don't forget that the Canoness that does come in the box has a monopose loadout that is illegal according to the rules in the selfsame box.

Edited November 27, 2019 by 1126PLL

[Lemondish]

Don't forget that the Canoness that does come in the box has a monopose loadout that is illegal according to the rules in the selfsame box.

 

Oh is that because of the plasma pistol tucked behind her back and no boltgun being present with the rod of office? 

[tvih]

Don't forget that the Canoness that does come in the box has a monopose loadout that is illegal according to the rules in the selfsame box.

Really? Hadn't looked that closely at her rules. Heh, if so, classic GW, like with the Deathwatch plastic release and its ghost knives.

[1126PLL]

Yes. It is because she has a Plasma Pistol (molded onto her cape, no less, so not easily removed!) and a Rod of Office.

[ValourousHeart]

Since GW has been extremely clear about the contents of the set, and they have sent a notice to be included with every box set apologizing for the misprint, there no chance anyone could get restitution through a legal channel.

 

But this is the internet so I would be shocked if we don’t see at least one video of a person throwing a temper tantrum because of this.

 

As to the illegal claim. I recommend taking that with a grain of salt. Remember this claim is coming from the same internet that believes that the phrase “one or more” means “only one”.

 

I’ve lost count of how many times theses channels that are posting these rules review have completely butchered the rules in their battle report videos. So keep that in mind when you start to freak out over something they say.

[Lemondish]

Since GW has been extremely clear about the contents of the set, and they have sent a notice to be included with every box set apologizing for the misprint, there no chance anyone could get restitution through a legal channel.

 

But this is the internet so I would be shocked if we don’t see at least one video of a person throwing a temper tantrum because of this.

 

As to the illegal claim. I recommend taking that with a grain of salt. Remember this claim is coming from the same internet that believes that the phrase “one or more” means “only one”.

 

I’ve lost count of how many times theses channels that are posting these rules review have completely butchered the rules in their battle report videos. So keep that in mind when you start to freak out over something they say.

I mean, as far as the illegal loadout goes, that's truly the case on the data sheet.

[Montford]

I am going to swap the arms on the Repentia Superior and Canoness so I should be good (making the Repentia Superior my Canoness, and vice versa). I think that will look better.

[ValourousHeart]

 

Since GW has been extremely clear about the contents of the set, and they have sent a notice to be included with every box set apologizing for the misprint, there no chance anyone could get restitution through a legal channel.

 

But this is the internet so I would be shocked if we don’t see at least one video of a person throwing a temper tantrum because of this.

 

As to the illegal claim. I recommend taking that with a grain of salt. Remember this claim is coming from the same internet that believes that the phrase “one or more” means “only one”.

 

I’ve lost count of how many times theses channels that are posting these rules review have completely butchered the rules in their battle report videos. So keep that in mind when you start to freak out over something they say.

I mean, as far as the illegal loadout goes, that's truly the case on the data sheet.

 

Just wait.  Either it is a misread of the rules, or it will be FAQed in 2 weeks.  As I said most of the groups that did exhaustive reviews of the codex regularly get even simple rules completely messed up.  And most of them are making claims about how MD work that is in direct contradiction the the information that was published on WHC.  That doesn't give me much confidence in them.

[Slasher956]

Your making an assumption that WHC got the rules right :p

 

There have been a number of cases where whc have got rules flat out wrong ...and after it was pointed out on FB they have gone back and edited the post - 1 example being the craftworld attributes in PR where they said the -1ap stacked with shuriken rule, then put the codex snipt in which blatantly said the -1 didn’t stack!

[Lemondish]

 

 

 

Since GW has been extremely clear about the contents of the set, and they have sent a notice to be included with every box set apologizing for the misprint, there no chance anyone could get restitution through a legal channel.

 

But this is the internet so I would be shocked if we don’t see at least one video of a person throwing a temper tantrum because of this.

 

As to the illegal claim. I recommend taking that with a grain of salt. Remember this claim is coming from the same internet that believes that the phrase “one or more” means “only one”.

 

I’ve lost count of how many times theses channels that are posting these rules review have completely butchered the rules in their battle report videos. So keep that in mind when you start to freak out over something they say.

I mean, as far as the illegal loadout goes, that's truly the case on the data sheet.

Just wait. Either it is a misread of the rules, or it will be FAQed in 2 weeks. As I said most of the groups that did exhaustive reviews of the codex regularly get even simple rules completely messed up. And most of them are making claims about how MD work that is in direct contradiction the the information that was published on WHC. That doesn't give me much confidence in them.

This will need to be included in errata. I don't think I'm misreading this data sheet. I have it here in front of me and it is very specific. There are a ton of options for this unit, but also some limitations on what those options can go with. In this case, Rod of Office.

[Montford]

All the Canoness model needs in order to represent all its wargear correctly is to ass a boltgun. You can glue one on the side of the model.

 

Or cut off the front of the gun and glue it on as if its sticking out from beneath her robes.

 

Or put a bayonet on it and stick it into the base as if she has stuck it into the ground.

 

Or some other way to add a boltgun to her model.

 

Or say the heck with the rod of office, chop it off and put a pistol in that hand ;)

 

My main quastion is: as she must have a power sword and boltgun in order to carry the rod of office: can you replce the power sword with a relic power sword (Blade of Admonition) and still be in legal configuration?

[tvih]

 

My main quastion is: as she must have a power sword and boltgun in order to carry the rod of office: can you replce the power sword with a relic power sword (Blade of Admonition) and still be in legal configuration?

Of course.

[Lemondish]

All the Canoness model needs in order to represent all its wargear correctly is to ass a boltgun. You can glue one on the side of the model.

 

Or cut off the front of the gun and glue it on as if its sticking out from beneath her robes.

 

Or put a bayonet on it and stick it into the base as if she has stuck it into the ground.

 

Or some other way to add a boltgun to her model.

 

Or say the heck with the rod of office, chop it off and put a pistol in that hand

 

My main quastion is: as she must have a power sword and boltgun in order to carry the rod of office: can you replce the power sword with a relic power sword (Blade of Admonition) and still be in legal configuration?

 

Yes, this is all true*

 

*provided you also remove the molded in plasma pistol...or pretend it isn't there...and be clear that you're not paying for it...and never use it...

 

As for your main question: Not as written in the data sheet. You can only get a rod of office with a boltgun and power sword, but the Blade of Admonition replaces a Blessed Blade only. 

 

 

 

My main quastion is: as she must have a power sword and boltgun in order to carry the rod of office: can you replce the power sword with a relic power sword (Blade of Admonition) and still be in legal configuration?

Of course.

 

 

Unfortunately, no. See above.

Edited November 28, 2019 by Lemondish

[ValourousHeart]

 

 

 

 

Since GW has been extremely clear about the contents of the set, and they have sent a notice to be included with every box set apologizing for the misprint, there no chance anyone could get restitution through a legal channel.

 

But this is the internet so I would be shocked if we don’t see at least one video of a person throwing a temper tantrum because of this.

 

As to the illegal claim. I recommend taking that with a grain of salt. Remember this claim is coming from the same internet that believes that the phrase “one or more” means “only one”.

 

I’ve lost count of how many times theses channels that are posting these rules review have completely butchered the rules in their battle report videos. So keep that in mind when you start to freak out over something they say.

I mean, as far as the illegal loadout goes, that's truly the case on the data sheet.

Just wait. Either it is a misread of the rules, or it will be FAQed in 2 weeks. As I said most of the groups that did exhaustive reviews of the codex regularly get even simple rules completely messed up. And most of them are making claims about how MD work that is in direct contradiction the the information that was published on WHC. That doesn't give me much confidence in them.

This will need to be included in errata. I don't think I'm misreading this data sheet. I have it here in front of me and it is very specific. There are a ton of options for this unit, but also some limitations on what those options can go with. In this case, Rod of Office.

Ok then let’s take a look at this from a different angle.

 

Up to this point we have been just accepting your claim that the stick she is holding is a Rod of Office.

 

Is it possible that stick could be any thing else?

 

What stick shaped objects can she have when armed with a plasma pistol and a sword like thing?

[Lemondish]

Ok then let’s take a look at this from a different angle.

Up to this point we have been just accepting your claim that the stick she is holding is a Rod of Office.

 

Is it possible that stick could be any thing else?

 

What stick shaped objects can she have when armed with a plasma pistol and a sword like thing?

 

I totally understand I'm basically just saying "trust me guys". Totally cool if you feel like waiting to see, after all it doesn't really affect anybody here until the box is in the wild. 

 

However, this is what the data sheet has to say about options:

 

A Canoness is a single model equipped with: bolt pistol, chainsword, frag grenades, krak grenades

• This model can be equipped with 1 boltgun and 1 power sword instead of 1 bolt pistol and 1 chainsword. If this model is equipped with 1 boltgun and 1 power sword it additionally has a rod of office.
• This model can be equipped with one of the following instead of 1 bolt pistol: 1 condemnor boltgun, 1 weapon from the Pistols list
• This model can be equipped with one of the following instead of 1 chainsword: 1 power sword, 1 blessed blade
• If this model is equipped with 1 chainsword, it can have a brazier of holy fire or a null rod

The Canoness in the box, and as we can see from the one view we have of the sprue and the 360 rotating picture, is equipped with a power sword (or a blessed blade, I have no idea how to tell the difference), a plasma pistol, and a rod of some sort. 

 

The options for rod like items are null rods and rod of office. There are no rod shaped pistols, sadly. Rod of office requires boltgun and power sword, but replaces bolt pistol and chainsword, so no other way to acquire the plasma pistol. The null rod requires you to carry a chainsword, which this model is not carrying, so it can't be equipped with one of those either. 

 

And unfortunately the argument that this rod she's carrying is just a gubbin that has no effect would be compelling if it weren't for a description saying it was the rod of office. 

Edited November 28, 2019 by Lemondish

[Slasher956]

As it looks like the rules guys wherent looking at the models when they wrote the entries again......heres a related question...are we back to 2 weapons on the sister superiors?  or can we still do combat weapon, boltgun + pistol?

[Lemondish]

As it looks like the rules guys wherent looking at the models when they wrote the entries again......heres a related question...are we back to 2 weapons on the sister superiors?  or can we still do combat weapon, boltgun + pistol?

 

Each sister in a Battle Sister squad is equipped with a boltgun and a bolt pistol, but the Superior can additionally be equipped with one weapon from the melee weapon list, or one weapon from the list instead of 1 boltgun. So you can do the pistol, melee, boltgun option. Melee options are chainsword, power maul, and power sword. She gets an extra attack, but still only 2 s3 attacks so a melee weapon is alright, but I'd say keep it cheap if you want to go this way. I think the swords look cool, but a chainsword is probably the best option. 

 

Can also exchange the boltgun for a weapon on the Ranged list, with options being pistol, combi-flamer/melta/plasma, or comdemnor boltgun. Can exchange the pistol for a hand flamer, plasma pistol, or inferno pistol. I could see combi weapons being a common choice here. 

[tvih]

 

 

 

 

My main quastion is: as she must have a power sword and boltgun in order to carry the rod of office: can you replce the power sword with a relic power sword (Blade of Admonition) and still be in legal configuration?

Of course.

 

 

Unfortunately, no. See above.

 

Ah, yes, if the BoA is meant to only replace a Blessed Blade and not a power sword, then that'd naturally throw a spanner in the works. I assumed it could replace a power sword (haven't seen the datasheets and assumed the person asking had). Generally speaking upgrading a weapon to a relic wouldn't invalidate the loadout.

[Lemondish]

 

 

 

 

 

My main quastion is: as she must have a power sword and boltgun in order to carry the rod of office: can you replce the power sword with a relic power sword (Blade of Admonition) and still be in legal configuration?

Of course.

 

 

Unfortunately, no. See above.

 

Ah, yes, if the BoA is meant to only replace a Blessed Blade and not a power sword, then that'd naturally throw a spanner in the works. I assumed it could replace a power sword (haven't seen the datasheets and assumed the person asking had). Generally speaking upgrading a weapon to a relic wouldn't invalidate the loadout.

 

 

Yes, sorry, that last point you made is definitely true. It's just the weird specific loadout of this particular Canoness is a bit of a mess so technically in this specific case, no. Plus, I'm not actually sure it's clear what a blessed blade looks like over a power sword, but I'll need to have another flip through the codex to check. 

[Slasher956]

 

As it looks like the rules guys wherent looking at the models when they wrote the entries again......heres a related question...are we back to 2 weapons on the sister superiors?  or can we still do combat weapon, boltgun + pistol?

 

 

Each sister in a Battle Sister squad is equipped with a boltgun and a bolt pistol, but the Superior can additionally be equipped with one weapon from the melee weapon list, or one weapon from the list instead of 1 boltgun. So you can do the pistol, melee, boltgun option. Melee options are chainsword, power maul, and power sword. She gets an extra attack, but still only 2 s3 attacks so a melee weapon is alright, but I'd say keep it cheap if you want to go this way. I think the swords look cool, but a chainsword is probably the best option. 

 

Can also exchange the boltgun for a weapon on the Ranged list, with options being pistol, combi-flamer/melta/plasma, or comdemnor boltgun. Can exchange the pistol for a hand flamer, plasma pistol, or inferno pistol. I could see combi weapons being a common choice here.

It’s more are my metal sister sup.s still legal :p

[CaptainMarsh]

The Cannoness has a Plasma Pistol. In order for her loadout to be legal, she would need a boltgun instead.

It is a little annoying but it would take an unreasonable soul to take issue with it in game since it is beyond your control. Call it a bolty, have a good'n.

The main annoyance is the fact GW could somehow make a sprue with an illegal loadout and put it in as the monpose only option in the starter box, while also having the wrong picture on the back. Very annoying. 

[Montford]

Oh heck that's easy. That plasma pistol looks large enough I'd just remove the front end. fill in the plasma glowy part and tack the forward section of a boltgun in there.

[Slasher956]

My guess/ hope is they will alter the rods to be a standalone addition (null, office & brazier) not weapon dependant....