Archaeinox Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 I don't know about the first 2, but in Blood of Baal I saw a custom mission page with some special deployment thing if I remember correctly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360231-psychic-awakening-the-ritual-of-the-damned/page/3/#findComment-5445741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 I am really curious to see this play out. All 3 armies seem to be on the backfoot competitivly so having them center stage is cool. The backstory involving the Changeling will seem like a wasted opportunity and seems no coincidence these three are lumped together. That the 1000k sons will seemingly be on the defensive while attempting their epic plan is interesting as well. A psychic beacon sounds cool though why would Magnus do this? Who knows my guess is a huge sacrifice of latent psychers to power some mind numbing result. I mean, heck, they all ready pulled a planet out of warp into real space and I would think whatever plan Mags has up his sleeve is supposed to top that! Maybe Maggie somehow "gets his shard (groove) back" (from the head Grey knight dude? (sorry not up on GK lore). I typically don't buy campaign books, should we expect special missions that reenact whatever lore is coming out to support this? Maybe a "keep the Ritual from being interfered with" mission? There's one thing that keeps sticking with me. The scene in the last stories leading up to the resurrection of Guilliman. At some point the Aeldari try to distract Ahriman, and the Thousand Sons. They show their ability to use death and life hocus pocus to bring back some Thousand Sons "Rubrics" from dust form to actual living people. They come back and are shocked to see Ahriman, but have no clue what's going on. It's like time hasn't passed for them. They're still set in the post Heresy time line or soon thereafter. I keep wanting to see Ahriman revisit that storyline. I think there's some incredibly cool stories, and new directions that can result from that storyline. So what I'm hoping is the theme of evil is doing things, and good guys have to stop it will continue. Ahriman is trying to perform some great feat and GK are trying to prevent it. If the storyline actually has GK on the offensive, it will be a little boring imo. I'd much rather see Thousand Sons antagonizing or performing something huge that has to be stopped. (which of course it will be stopped, at least partially.) Dolchiate Remembrancer, Aasfresser and Heliomanes 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360231-psychic-awakening-the-ritual-of-the-damned/page/3/#findComment-5445810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeinox Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 I just can't see what sort of ritual they'd be doing. In any case, and this is just speculation, I don't think Ahriman is at the front of it. I think Magnus will be in the spotlight for this big Bad News Bears event Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360231-psychic-awakening-the-ritual-of-the-damned/page/3/#findComment-5445834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heliomanes Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 I think the points you bring up are really interesting. Especially that bit of lore with Ahriman restoring a single Rubricae... It would be so great if they followed up on that, or on Magnus' plans. But I fear that it will just lead up to us doing a woopsie and providing a simple lore reason for unleashing the new roaming spells expansion packs for 40k, ala AoS. Prot 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360231-psychic-awakening-the-ritual-of-the-damned/page/3/#findComment-5445836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skerr Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 I am really curious to see this play out. All 3 armies seem to be on the backfoot competitivly so having them center stage is cool. The backstory involving the Changeling will seem like a wasted opportunity and seems no coincidence these three are lumped together. That the 1000k sons will seemingly be on the defensive while attempting their epic plan is interesting as well. A psychic beacon sounds cool though why would Magnus do this? Who knows my guess is a huge sacrifice of latent psychers to power some mind numbing result. I mean, heck, they all ready pulled a planet out of warp into real space and I would think whatever plan Mags has up his sleeve is supposed to top that! Maybe Maggie somehow "gets his shard (groove) back" (from the head Grey knight dude? (sorry not up on GK lore). I typically don't buy campaign books, should we expect special missions that reenact whatever lore is coming out to support this? Maybe a "keep the Ritual from being interfered with" mission? There's one thing that keeps sticking with me. The scene in the last stories leading up to the resurrection of Guilliman. At some point the Aeldari try to distract Ahriman, and the Thousand Sons. They show their ability to use death and life hocus pocus to bring back some Thousand Sons "Rubrics" from dust form to actual living people. They come back and are shocked to see Ahriman, but have no clue what's going on. It's like time hasn't passed for them. They're still set in the post Heresy time line or soon thereafter. I keep wanting to see Ahriman revisit that storyline. I think there's some incredibly cool stories, and new directions that can result from that storyline. So what I'm hoping is the theme of evil is doing things, and good guys have to stop it will continue. Ahriman is trying to perform some great feat and GK are trying to prevent it. If the storyline actually has GK on the offensive, it will be a little boring imo. I'd much rather see Thousand Sons antagonizing or performing something huge that has to be stopped. (which of course it will be stopped, at least partially.) I thought about that to, Prot. Mags was pretty pissed at Ari for the Rubric. I would think he would want to reverse the Rubric also but who knows. We would lose All is Dust, if successful lol. Prot 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360231-psychic-awakening-the-ritual-of-the-damned/page/3/#findComment-5445844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 That's a funny thought but so true. lol However, imagine if they followed that plot up with enough success that we had 2-3 named characters back from the Heresy era.... wow. I'd just love that. Guzzlrr 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360231-psychic-awakening-the-ritual-of-the-damned/page/3/#findComment-5445849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven1 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Losing All is Dust wouldnt be a huge issue, however that would open up to bring in all sorts of units, capabilities, and weapons seeing as they no longer be hampered by the fact they are mindless automatons. Dolchiate Remembrancer 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360231-psychic-awakening-the-ritual-of-the-damned/page/3/#findComment-5445855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aasfresser Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 (edited) Why should we loose AiD on all unit choices? They could twist it in a way, that only few or rare elite units become flesh again. So like troop choice Rubricae and e.g. newly restored fleshy chosen or similar. Edited December 12, 2019 by Aasfresser Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360231-psychic-awakening-the-ritual-of-the-damned/page/3/#findComment-5445876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahzek451 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 I seriously doubt we would lose rubrics anytime soon...or at all. If anything, if gw does decide to advance some sort of rubricae narrative "cure", then we could see some new units in the flesh alongside the rubricae. Who knows. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360231-psychic-awakening-the-ritual-of-the-damned/page/3/#findComment-5445918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skerr Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) Lol, we wouldn't lose AID, I was trying to be funny. I suspect our Epic Universe Changing Ritual will be interrupted if not all out stopped. Though yall bring up some good ideas so who knows? I do like the idea of some Rubrics coming back, even new characters. Who knows where there loyalties would lie? Could end up as an opposing faction like the Fallen for Dark Angels. Then again 1k Sons did wreck the gene lab on Fenris and pulled the planet out of a hat trick. Chaos always seems to pull off some sort of hidden victory if the main objective (distraction?) fails. I wouldn't think it too much of a stretch to end up with Malefic discipline. Edited December 13, 2019 by Skerr Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360231-psychic-awakening-the-ritual-of-the-damned/page/3/#findComment-5446256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven1 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) I suspect our Epic Universe Changing Ritual will be interrupted if not all out stopped.Well of course but the victory will only come after Magnus is defeated in 1v1 combat with some named character in the darkest second of the darkest minute of the darkest hour, on the darkest day when all hope is lost and the Imperium is giving it one last ditch effort and a hail mary play nobody thought would succeed. All I'm saying is dont get rid of rubrics but is Thousand Sons but a non-rubric TS would give reason for other units and flesh out the codex a bit. But what twisted dark fate and evil machinations that Ahriman, Magnus, and the others could reverse the rubric but only do it for those that would stay loyal to them and not the Emperor. Edited December 13, 2019 by Raven1 Dolchiate Remembrancer and Skerr 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360231-psychic-awakening-the-ritual-of-the-damned/page/3/#findComment-5446261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeinox Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I wouldn't think it too much of a stretch to end up with Malefic discipline. I mean if we're doing things that make sense, GW would just give Ahriman Gaze of Fate as a static ability lul. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360231-psychic-awakening-the-ritual-of-the-damned/page/3/#findComment-5446294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreaterChickenofTzeentch Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I wouldn't think it too much of a stretch to end up with Malefic discipline. I mean if we're doing things that make sense, GW would just give Ahriman Gaze of Fate as a static ability lul. I'd personally hope for Stratagems that upgrade an Exalted Sorcerer to have some special ability based on each of the Prosperine Cults....sort of our version of "Chief Librarian," "Master of Sanctity," etc. Skerr, Prot and Ahzek451 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360231-psychic-awakening-the-ritual-of-the-damned/page/3/#findComment-5446441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeinox Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) That sounds like something they'd do, sure- it should be just free per Exalted. Don't give an inch, brother. Hold them to a high standard for this content. (make no mistake- im not saying to get our hopes up) I think we can probably expect a serious boost reward for having ALL <Thousand Sons> in your army: +1 Invul and 1s count as 2s for Psychic Tests. It's not doctrines... but it's a fair reward for "pure" construction. Edited December 14, 2019 by Archaeinox Prot, Skerr and Dolchiate Remembrancer 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360231-psychic-awakening-the-ritual-of-the-damned/page/3/#findComment-5446500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoomWolf Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 CSM didn't get any doctrine equivalent, what makes you think we will? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360231-psychic-awakening-the-ritual-of-the-damned/page/3/#findComment-5446559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 The doctrine stuff feels a bit more like a new codex thing I agree but let's see what the new PA gives us and go from there - at the least we can be sure it'll be better than nothing ;) Archaeinox 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360231-psychic-awakening-the-ritual-of-the-damned/page/3/#findComment-5446580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeinox Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Um, because CSM is a book with multiple legions and renegades and we are a small codex like sisters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360231-psychic-awakening-the-ritual-of-the-damned/page/3/#findComment-5446637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolchiate Remembrancer Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 CSM didn't get any doctrine equivalent, what makes you think we will?And argument someone brought up to me was: chaos is supposed to soup with itself and so shouldn't get access to doctrines.I dont know how I personally feel about that as I find some of the old legions would keep to themselves and so could and should benefit from doctrines. But I get where the argument is coming from. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360231-psychic-awakening-the-ritual-of-the-damned/page/3/#findComment-5446638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeinox Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) I'm just thinking in terms of content. The legions were a lot for GW to "give stuff to" in PA: 2. Sure, they wouldn't each get a doctrine like Space Marines did.. TS & GK, though? High chance of getting "a thing." Easy to do. Edited December 14, 2019 by Archaeinox Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360231-psychic-awakening-the-ritual-of-the-damned/page/3/#findComment-5446670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven1 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) While I think we can look to CSM as an example the kind of things we will get. However they certainly are a unique case. They recently got a version 2, not a newly written codex, through vigilous they got renegade chapters but not create your own much like SM, Eldar, Dark Eldar, and Tyranids. They didn't get a re-write of traits and chaos traits continue not to be available to every unit in the codex unlike every other codex in the game. GW follows the pattern unless they just don't follow it and in those cases there usually is no explanation as to why. Edited December 14, 2019 by Raven1 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360231-psychic-awakening-the-ritual-of-the-damned/page/3/#findComment-5446680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heliomanes Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Yeah it might be best to temper our expectations, brothers. I'd rather be pleasantly surprised than deeply disappointed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360231-psychic-awakening-the-ritual-of-the-damned/page/3/#findComment-5446708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 I expect one of two things to happen: 1. We find we get some extremely sharp, to the point, but extremely effective psychic damage boosters. Smite +2 casts. Something dead simple, boring as heck, but a tournament player's dream. 2. Fluff, and circumstance. The story pushes Thousand Sons to expand their abilities leading to a plethora of mediocre casting bonuses. IE: Rise of Phoenix replacing Smite with WC6 powers. (2 are good, 2 are mediocre, 2 are bad.) Unit wise Eldar got 2 new models, but one was a resculpt. This is just my opinion but if PA doesn't 'awaken' a dreadnought with psychic ability, nothing will. Archaeinox and Dolchiate Remembrancer 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360231-psychic-awakening-the-ritual-of-the-damned/page/3/#findComment-5446748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahzek451 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Man, I'm just hoping for a spell or strat or something that brings back dead rubrics. CrystalSeer and Archaeinox 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360231-psychic-awakening-the-ritual-of-the-damned/page/3/#findComment-5446770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahzek451 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) Has anyone read the new Mephiston novel, city of light? Granted it's a novel, but it has updated fluff on what has been going on since the attack on Fenris, and perhaps some insight on the future of the new PA.....Some spoilers ahead: Hidden Content Since Sortiarius has warped to orbit Prospero, Magnus has since rebuilt Prospero. Not in the sense of returning it to old Tizca with pyramids and such. It is still a dead husk, but the planet is now riddled with war factories, bunkers and industry. Designed to be the planet that feeds the thousand sons war effort. This isn't much, and I still have to read on....but it is at least super inspiring that Magnus has been busy building his forces and possibly creating new weapons. Edited December 14, 2019 by Ahzek451 Dolchiate Remembrancer and Prot 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360231-psychic-awakening-the-ritual-of-the-damned/page/3/#findComment-5446805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzzlrr Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) What makes you think it's Thousand Sons getting the new character? Grey Knights and Dark Angels have a majority of their characters in Finecast or Metal still. Thousand Sons is an entirely plastic range... :lol: Not necessarily true PA1 dished out 2 and two units Would love to see thousand sons get some interesting thousand sons only stuff like bloat drones etc be good if they where as fleshed out as Death Guard Edited December 14, 2019 by Guzzlrr Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360231-psychic-awakening-the-ritual-of-the-damned/page/3/#findComment-5446815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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