Successor idea. Opinions?

[Gederas]

As far as how they deal with their Death Company? It's actually pretty harsh. They only send their Death Company into battles where there is no chance of civilian casualties. Upon falling to the Rage a brother's armor is stripped down to bare ceramite and they are left behind upon the battle's conclusion. They value self control above almost any other trait. Any Carnodon who falls to the Rage is mourned as a brother who is already dead, because the man they were is gone. Upon death the geneseed of Death Company is not collected, because they believe that any brother in the future who receives it is destined to also fall. They would rather be under strength than use geneseed they believe will doom that initiate to fall to the Black Rage.

The part I put in bold is what sticks out to me. This means this Chapter is going to dwindle in numbers very quickly, as if members of them fall to the Rage, that's one less Marine they can make to replace him, because gene-seed is a finite resource.

[Panzer]

 

As far as how they deal with their Death Company? It's actually pretty harsh. They only send their Death Company into battles where there is no chance of civilian casualties. Upon falling to the Rage a brother's armor is stripped down to bare ceramite and they are left behind upon the battle's conclusion. They value self control above almost any other trait. Any Carnodon who falls to the Rage is mourned as a brother who is already dead, because the man they were is gone. Upon death the geneseed of Death Company is not collected, because they believe that any brother in the future who receives it is destined to also fall. They would rather be under strength than use geneseed they believe will doom that initiate to fall to the Black Rage.

 

The part I put in bold is what sticks out to me. This means this Chapter is going to dwindle in numbers very quickly, as if members of them fall to the Rage, that's one less Marine they can make to replace him, because gene-seed is a finite resource.

Marines falling to the Black Rage is supposed to be rare and each Marine produces two sets of geneseeds with one getting extracted upon reaching maturity and one after death. So unless they suffer heavy casualties all the time or ironically have more brothers fall to the Black Rage than other chapters it shouldn't be that big of a problem.

[Claws and Effect]

In any case they should probably have about as much a focus on arts and such stuff like other chapters of the bloodline since it's a common believe that it helps calm the curses and (Darkness in the Blood spoiler)

That's where the idea that their Chapter symbol is a tiger stripe pattern on the left pauldron comes in. When an initiate receives his Black Carapace he must paint his pauldron in his own unique pattern before he is permitted to wear his armor in battle. Most brothers tend to continually add to and embellish the patterns on their armor. The more senior they are the more striping their armor is likely to have. Any brother who doesn't paint his armor much after the initial pattern is watched closely, as those brothers are more likely to be taken by the Rage. That is also reflected in the armor of Death Company being stripped down to bare ceramite. The brother he used to be is gone, so the unique pattern on his armor is gone as well.

 

I'm kicking around the idea of music as part of their artistic endeavors as well. Since they would deploy in Chapter strength if they need to destroy traitorous brothers, I thought it would be neat if the entire Chapter sang a dirge of mourning in battle in those instances, with orders from officers being worked into the harmony.

Edited December 23, 2019 by Claws and Effect

[Bjorn Firewalker]

So you want to basically take the wheel from GW and decide Astorath is falling to the Black Rage?

Astorath is still a Blood Angel; denying the possibility he can ever fall to the Black Rage, is like denying the possibility a human being can ever be flawed, show weakness, or make mistakes. The High Chaplain should have the humility to recognize his own flaws and weaknesses, and to make contingency plans in case he ever succumbs to these flaws and weaknesses- he's not an Emperor-damn Mary Sue.

 

Note I specifically mentioned he's resisting the Black Rage.

[Aothaine]

@op - I think this is a great idea! A chapter of the Blood Angels that is hyper focused on killing other space marines(Blood Angels). One of the great things about this game is that you can come up with anything and play it. You imagination is really you're only limitation. I think the orange is really close to red and will make the marine really pop on the display board. I would suggest using the paint tool provided by B&C or using the painter in either of the Dawn of War games for the PC and give us a look at what your thinking about going with. I am eager to see what you do. :D

[Panzer]

 

So you want to basically take the wheel from GW and decide Astorath is falling to the Black Rage?

Astorath is still a Blood Angel; denying the possibility he can ever fall to the Black Rage, is like denying the possibility a human being can ever be flawed, show weakness, or make mistakes. The High Chaplain should have the humility to recognize his own flaws and weaknesses, and to make contingency plans in case he ever succumbs to these flaws and weaknesses- he's not an Emperor-damn Mary Sue.

Note I specifically mentioned he's resisting the Black Rage.

I never said he's immune to it, however it's a big character GW has absolute control over and him being on the verge of falling to the Black Rage is a major plothook that simply doesn't exist yet and probably never will if we are honest.

 

Also resistig the Black Rage? It seems you don't have quite the right idea about the what the Black Rage is. Resisting it is something so unique that it alone is already named character worthy. That's what Lemartes is all about. Usually it's like a dam that breaks. Once you start showing signs (the dam cracking) it's too late and you're about to fall (the dam breaking) soon. It's not the Red Thirst and resisting it would be a miracle.

Sure you can have a character like that but imo it's not on us to make such character developments for named characters because it's just too big and important a change and would be at odds with anything GW is going to do with that character. For the same reason we don't kill off named characters or official chapters etc.

He's not a Mary-Sue, but falling to the rage is rare and being able to resist it because we can't have him fall to it for real would ironically push him into Mary-Sue territory.

 

And yes important people should have contingency plans, however traveling the galaxy to take care of fallen brothers is a very special thing unique to Astorath and his ability to sense it wherever he is and not one of the usual tasks of a High Chaplain, even in a Blood Angels chapter. He's the first and so far the only one who can do what he does and he's only picking off a few isolated brothers usually. That's not something you'd need a whole Chapter for unless the idea is to have the chapter spread through the whole galaxy to compensate for Astorath' unique ability, but that's not what the OP wants to do here.

[Wassa]

It’s your own chapter, lore, and paint scheme so anything you want to do or say is viable.

 

Do it and have fun.

 

There needs to be less squabbling about the story behind someones personalised toy soldiers :)

Edited December 24, 2019 by Wassa

[Panzer]

There needs to be less squabbling about the story behind someones personalised toy soldiers

 

Except that he asked for it. It's literally the whole point of this thread. ;) 

[Bjorn Firewalker]

Usually it's like a dam that breaks. Once you start showing signs (the dam cracking) it's too late and you're about to fall (the dam breaking) soon. It's not the Red Thirst and resisting it would be a miracle.

Sure you can have a character like that but imo it's not on us to make such character developments for named characters because it's just too big and important a change and would be at odds with anything GW is going to do with that character. For the same reason we don't kill off named characters or official chapters etc.

He's not a Mary-Sue, but falling to the rage is rare and being able to resist it because we can't have him fall to it for real would ironically push him into Mary-Sue territory.

 

And yes important people should have contingency plans, however traveling the galaxy to take care of fallen brothers is a very special thing unique to Astorath and his ability to sense it wherever he is and not one of the usual tasks of a High Chaplain, even in a Blood Angels chapter. He's the first and so far the only one who can do what he does and he's only picking off a few isolated brothers usually. That's not something you'd need a whole Chapter for unless the idea is to have the chapter spread through the whole galaxy to compensate for Astorath' unique ability, but that's not what the OP wants to do here.

Good point.

 

Revised idea, to better fit the setting: Lord Regent Guilliman goes to Baal to help "his nephews" fight off whatever's attacking the Blood Angels Chapter planet. During the battle, some Blood Angels fall to the Black Rage and attack Guilliman, forcing Dante and Astorath to kill them.

 

Guilliman- unnerved and understandably PISSED OFF- makes demands. Although Astorath insists he alone should bear the burden of executing Sons of Sanguinius who succumb to the Black Rage, Dante is politically astute enough to know the Lord Regent won't accept this, and proposes founding the future Carnodons as a compromise.

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

Do remember that Dante isn't defacto in charge of any new BA Successors and also probably doesn't have the Authority to found a new chapter. Only the high Lords can really do that, plus Cawl and Guilliman.

 

The idea is a little heavy, but it has legs. How about instead they hunt specifically BA traitors and other renegade marines?

 

What makes a chapter interesting too is a flaw, which could be something simple like they had a traitor contingent themselves or worked closely with a chapter that turned.

 

Dante is the imperial regent for the Nihilus half of the Imperium, if Guilliman has the authority to found a new chapter than so does he. Creating a new chapter would be difficult though, because the Nihilus side of the imperium is cut off by the rift. This means that they don't have access to the Gene seed that has been tithed to Mars like the high lords do. IMO this means that if they made a new chapter it would have to be a BA successor. They would probably resemble a chapter like the crimson fists, where its mainly vets, new recruits, and not a lot in between.

 

As far as their role I think instead of secretly policing the blood angel successors, it would be cooler if they were openly created to deal with renegades. Their lack of experience would be an interesting flaw when comparing them to their foes.

[Frater Antodeniel]

Well, for Christmas, i will be generous and share with you an idea i got some times ago when thinking about possible/interresting secret Blood Angels successor chapter.

 

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It all start a few decades after the sundering of the Blood Angels Legion (following the Horus Heresy and the Scouring).

 

At that time, some rare cases of Blood Angels falling into some Madness started to appears in all the chapters of the Blood. For a time, the secret order of the "Burning Eye" (created by Sanguinius to deal with problems within the legion, see Official 30K Blood Angels Legion Organisation), believed the problem to be one that could be contained by sending lone agents to the successors chapters to deal with the problem. But as rumours about chapters of the Blood loosing themselves and starting to perform bloodletting rituals, the Burning Eye few members used the authority given to them and performed a political move by calling all the chapters masters of the Blood Angels successors to Baal.

 

After much debate, all came to the conclusion that Burning Eye could no longer contain the problem, nor that it should remain an hidden secret for those of the Blood, and that it would fall to the Chaplains to perform the duty of the Burning Eye. As for the Burning Eye, given the authority granted to them by Sanguinius, and the necessity that all chapters of the Blood must be kept under watch, it was declared that a new, and very secret chapter of the Blood should be created on the bases of the Burning Eyes.

 

Thus were created the "Angels Sibylline" (or Sibylant if you prefer^^), a unique chapter of the Blood, whose mission is to watch upon all the others chapters of the Blood, and act if needed. Also, to ensure the purity of the chapter, they would not recruit like any other chapter, but instead enact a ritual tithe upon all the chapter of the Blood, so that every century, all chapters of the Blood are bound to grant access to the "Angels Sibylline" envoys, and gives them ten of their veterans brothers and, if needed, one specialists brother (Librarian/Sanguinary Priest...etc). In exchange, the "Angels Sibylline" envoys investigate the chapter behaviours, and when departing with their new brothers to the Chapter secret fortress monastery, the "Angels Sibylline" renew the vow to protect their brother chapter fortress monastery in time of need, should it forces be so depleded that its survival would be threatened.

 

And so it was for ten thousand years, that the "Angels Sibylline" fought in secrecy, acting as the wardens of the Blood Angels and their successors, enacting bloody retribution on those who turned traitors and fell to the dark gods promises, correcting the ways of those who fell astray, and protecting those of the Blood in their time of need.

 

(As for the chapter appearance, it can be that of all the chapters of the Blood, or only the one of the Blood Angels, but for either choice one constant, instead of the company marking, the left pauldron is to have the mark of the Burning Eye.)

 

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Well, i think that it is quite a thing to think about. Have a nice day. =)

Edited December 24, 2019 by Frater Antodeniel