40kChrista Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I've tried searching multiple times and can only seem to find relics and CP interactions... So when a relic/artifact states it replaces a weapon, does it completely replace it and you lose the weapons base abilities? For example if I have a Demon Prince with dual Malefic Talons, +3 attacks, and give him the Faith Fury Rapacious Talons do I lose those +3 attacks? or if I replace a combi-bolter with Alpha Legion's Vipers Bite does it cease to be a combi-bolter, would Demon Shell no longer work with it? Essentially do they cease to be the base weapon anymore since they have been "replaced" with the relic/artifact or do they retain the base weapon ability as well? Halp... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361207-when-a-relic-replaces-a-weapon/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Ruminahui Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Yes, they do. So unfortunately the new claw daemon weapon is less than fantastic, particularly on a daemon prince. However, the rules for abilities that trigger off of a weapon type (such as "bolter") typically state that they also trigger on any relic weapon that replaces a weapon of that type. 40kChrista and Gederas 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361207-when-a-relic-replaces-a-weapon/#findComment-5460775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gederas Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Yes, they do. So unfortunately the new claw daemon weapon is less than fantastic, particularly on a daemon prince. However, the rules for abilities that trigger off of a weapon type (such as "bolter") typically state that they also trigger on any relic weapon that replaces a weapon of that type. This. So using your example: You'd lose the +3 attacks if you give your Daemon Prince the Rapacious Talons, but you'll be able to use the Daemon Shell stratagem with Vipers Bite . 40kChrista 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361207-when-a-relic-replaces-a-weapon/#findComment-5460787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Replace means replace, yes. ^^ 40kChrista, BluejayJunior and Marshal Loss 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361207-when-a-relic-replaces-a-weapon/#findComment-5460798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
40kChrista Posted January 13, 2020 Author Share Posted January 13, 2020 Figured as much but wanted to be sure, thanks for the replies folks. Dr_Ruminahui 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361207-when-a-relic-replaces-a-weapon/#findComment-5460818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Closet Skeleton Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 It actually varies, some relics like the Tyranid Reaper of Obliterax don't replace the weapon they upgrade, but if the relic has a weapon profile then you have to use that one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361207-when-a-relic-replaces-a-weapon/#findComment-5461239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher956 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 It actually varies, some relics like the Tyranid Reaper of Obliterax don't replace the weapon they upgrade, but if the relic has a weapon profile then you have to use that one. Then they dont replace... which is the scenario the OP is talking about... could be worse... could be sisters of battle relic replacement - take a 9 point sword (blessed blade) S +2 AP -3 Damage D3... then replace with a relic that does S+2, AP -3 Damage 3!.... so 33% of the time it does nothing :p 40kChrista 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361207-when-a-relic-replaces-a-weapon/#findComment-5461287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 It actually varies, some relics like the Tyranid Reaper of Obliterax don't replace the weapon they upgrade, but if the relic has a weapon profile then you have to use that one. Well those also don't say that they replace anything so ... obviously? 40kChrista 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361207-when-a-relic-replaces-a-weapon/#findComment-5461288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rik Lightstar Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 It actually varies, some relics like the Tyranid Reaper of Obliterax don't replace the weapon they upgrade, but if the relic has a weapon profile then you have to use that one. Then they dont replace... which is the scenario the OP is talking about... could be worse... could be sisters of battle relic replacement - take a 9 point sword (blessed blade) S +2 AP -3 Damage D3... then replace with a relic that does S+2, AP -3 Damage 3!.... so 33% of the time it does nothing If you'd re-roll that D3 Damage Dice more than once a game, then it's good value. Rik Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361207-when-a-relic-replaces-a-weapon/#findComment-5467117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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