10th Company Vanguard

[GenerationTerrorist]

Hi all. Just a quick fluff question.

 

if I wanted to run a 10th Company, with all Vanguard/Phobos units, would I have to stick to the usual 6-2-2 (Battle Line - Close Support - Fire Support) of a standard Battle Company? I know the 10th was just Scouts, but are the Vanguard units treated in a similar fashion when it comes to en-masse deployment?

[War Angel]

Vanguard units can actually be in any company, but simultaneously the 10th company is scouts and vanguard. I don’t think your limited to 6-2-2 anymore, and you can always run your own chapter and say that they prefer 5-3-2 instead.

[Lord_Caerolion]

I would imagine so. The First Company is exempt from that distinction, but the 10th could really be argued either way.

[MajorNese]

The official order is: No particular order.

In the C:SM chapter organization part, it lists every other company as "6 Battleline Squads, 2 Close Support Squads, 2 Fire Support Sqads" (or whatever they have).

 

The 10th company is simply listed as "Scouts, 10 Vanguard Squads". Any other description of the 10th company (in the codex/supplements I've read, and the Shadowspear booklet) said they have a standing force of 100 vanguard marines, and train an unclear number of scouts. So yeah, go ahead and put them together in any order you want, GW has (so far) no structure in that company.

 

I've started building an entire 10th company, and start with roughly sticking to the usual 6-2-2, but most additions are based on ingame variety anyway. With current model variety and Rule of 3, there's for example just 9 suppressors max and 9-18 Eliminators for Fire Support, getting to 20 HS dudes happens rather automatically. I guess it will boil down to one or two "unnecessary" squads to get to the 6-2-2 pattern and 100 marines, but I'd argue that carbine Reivers are rather close to Troops than true CC units, and will slot them accordingly.

 

How you decide to organize your guys (if organize at all) is up to you, there is no fixed pattern. In-universe, I guess any marine can switch roles for a given mission, since they are trained to do that and the different role's gear doesn't differ too much. These are the guys that need to be flexible as part of their job description, unlike the more structured companies fighting regular missions.

[Panzer]

The 10th company has no specific combination of battlefield roles since they usually don't get deployed all on their own (like the 1st company), so you are free to take whatever Vanguard units you want without going against any official fluff. ;) 

[Claws and Effect]

You could have a Reiver, Eliminator, Infiltrator, and Incursor model and say it's the same guy in different armor.

 

The 10th Company Vanguard guys are still training for those roles, so it's perfectly logical that they won't have a set number of any given unit.

 

On the other side of it, from what I've picked up and inferred from the fluff, the Vanguard units that are attached to other Companies are usually brothers of that Company that put Phobos armor on for a particular battle.

[Panzer]

On the other side of it, from what I've picked up and inferred from the fluff, the Vanguard units that are attached to other Companies are usually brothers of that Company that put Phobos armor on for a particular battle.

 

That's right, however we also know that there are often multiple companies involved when deployed. A battlecompany might take squads from the 1st company, any reserve company, the 10th company or even deploy together with another battlecompany for whatever reason.