mel_danes Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Ok, so I'm late to the Vanguard train. I've finally supplemented my Shadowspear units with a box of Incursers and Eliminators. So I'm bringing Las Fusils and ignore cover guns to the table. The Eliminators I've got experience with, so they are easy to use. However the Incursers are a new unit for me. I suspect fielding 2 units of 5 is better for a couple reasons. 1 Fill out a Battalion faster. 2 You can't overkill all 10 guys if it's 2 squads, basic MSU strategy. So how are you Ultramarines commanders using them? As stated I have a complete set of the Shadowspear units, and a Warsuit as well. My non-vanguard Primaris I have pretty much anything I need. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361361-incurser-tactics-ultramarines/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 I haven’t used Incursors yet but I’ve heard good things and they are quite a bit less points than Infiltrators. How do you kit your Warsuit ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361361-incurser-tactics-ultramarines/#findComment-5464722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruor Vault Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Incursors are awesome, and in a lot of ways are superior to the Intercessor in the current meta. Ignoring cover and hit modifiers is huge, especially with the Tactical Doctrine active. Ignoring cover makes them effectively -3AP against things like Eliminators/stealthy-marines. The bonus attacks from their CCW is a nice bump and smoke grenades go a long way towards helping them survive for a couple of turns on an objective. Pack all that into an advance deploy unit and you get a TON of flexibility. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361361-incurser-tactics-ultramarines/#findComment-5464932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel_danes Posted January 20, 2020 Author Share Posted January 20, 2020 How do you kit your Warsuit ? Currently I run it with the Heavy Flamer type weapon. I've used it as a turn one charger suicide shock assault unit, worked well. I want to use the Iron Hail Autocannon but that up close "12 flame attack is just too good. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361361-incurser-tactics-ultramarines/#findComment-5464988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 That flamer is really good and yeah the turn 1 pressure has its advantages. Sounds like I really to give Incursors a try now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361361-incurser-tactics-ultramarines/#findComment-5465208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel_danes Posted January 21, 2020 Author Share Posted January 21, 2020 I'm working on a double battalion list currently. Tacticus and Phobos based, boots on the ground. Troopers and walkers only. 2 Redemptors in the first Battalion. 1 Warsuit in the second. It's not going to be a tourney level list, but I hope it's fun. ++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [64 PL, 975pts] ++ + HQ + Primaris Captain [5 PL, 86pts]: Master-crafted auto bolt rifle, Power sword Primaris Lieutenants [4 PL, 69pts] . Primaris Lieutenant: Master-crafted auto bolt rifle + Troops + Intercessor Squad [10 PL, 106pts]: Bolt rifle . 5x Intercessor . Intercessor Sergeant: Power sword Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 89pts]: Stalker Bolt Rifle . 4x Intercessor . Intercessor Sergeant: Power sword Intercessor Squad [10 PL, 117pts]: Auto Bolt Rifle . 5x Intercessor . Intercessor Sergeant: Power fist + Elites + Redemptor Dreadnought [7 PL, 155pts]: 2x Storm Bolters, Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon, Onslaught Gatling Cannon Redemptor Dreadnought [7 PL, 155pts]: 2x Storm Bolters, Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon, Onslaught Gatling Cannon + Heavy Support + Hellblaster Squad [16 PL, 198pts]: Plasma incinerator . 5x Hellblaster . Hellblaster Sergeant: Bolt pistol ++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [50 PL, 1,010pts] ++ + HQ + Captain in Phobos Armour [5 PL, 99pts]: Camo cloak, Master-crafted instigator bolt carbine Librarian in Phobos Armour [5 PL, 101pts]: 3) Mind Raid, 5) Tenebrous Curse, Camo cloak, Force sword Lieutenants in Phobos Armor [5 PL, 81pts] . Lieutenant in Phobos Armour . . Occulus Bolt Carbine and Bolt Pistol: Grav-chute, Master-crafted occulus bolt rifle + Troops + Incursor Squad [5 PL, 105pts]: Haywire Mine, 4x Incursor, Incursor Sergeant Incursor Squad [5 PL, 105pts]: Haywire Mine, 4x Incursor, Incursor Sergeant Infiltrator Squad [11 PL, 208pts]: 8x Infilltrator, Infiltrator Comms Array, Infiltrator Sergeant + Elites + Invictor Tactical Warsuit [6 PL, 131pts]: Fragstorm Grenade Launcher, Heavy bolter, Incendium cannon, 2x Ironhail Heavy Stubber + Heavy Support + Eliminator Squad [4 PL, 72pts] . Eliminator Sergeant: Bolt sniper rifle, Camo cloak . 2x Eliminator with Bolt Sniper: 2x Bolt sniper rifle, 2x Camo cloak Eliminator Squad [4 PL, 108pts] . Eliminator Sergeant: Camo cloak, Las Fusil . 2x Eliminator with Las Fusil: 2x Camo cloak, 2x Las Fusil ++ Total: [114 PL, 1,985pts] ++ BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361361-incurser-tactics-ultramarines/#findComment-5465221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Looks solid to me. I typically just run infantry and no walkers though but that might change. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361361-incurser-tactics-ultramarines/#findComment-5465241 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NKirkham24 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 I think I'm going to pick up a box of these soon. I already have the Infiltrators from Shadowspear, and I do enjoy using them, although I only really take MSU given their price. Incursors are awesome, and in a lot of ways are superior to the Intercessor in the current meta. Ignoring cover and hit modifiers is huge, especially with the Tactical Doctrine active. Ignoring cover makes them effectively -3AP against things like Eliminators/stealthy-marines. The bonus attacks from their CCW is a nice bump and smoke grenades go a long way towards helping them survive for a couple of turns on an objective. Pack all that into an advance deploy unit and you get a TON of flexibility. I'm interested to try the Incursors for the reasons you've listed, I think they'll have some great utility and a Phobos themed army would also be pretty cool mel_danes and Angelfive 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361361-incurser-tactics-ultramarines/#findComment-5465337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel_danes Posted January 22, 2020 Author Share Posted January 22, 2020 I'm pretty close to an entire Vanguard army. The Shadowspear units + Warsuit + Eliminators[Las Fusil] + Incursers + Reivers [2 squads of 10] I don't know if it would be a useful tactic, but with reserves this army could deploy entirely outside its own deployment zone. I think another 10 man unit of Incursers, another Warsuit and maybe an additional squad of Las Fusil Eliminators. That would get me in the ballpark of 2k. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361361-incurser-tactics-ultramarines/#findComment-5465714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riddlesworth Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 I keep flip flopping on infiltrators and incursors. Would be interested to see how they perform given the Infiltrators have better shooting (msu squad rapid firing will roll 4.16 wounds vs T4 compared to 3.33 for the incursors) and the massive deep strike denial. You can still cover a big chunk of the board for area denial with incursors and they are better in combat, but the units they bully in combat would be bullied by the infiltrators as well mel_danes 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361361-incurser-tactics-ultramarines/#findComment-5466382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 One thing it seems Infiltrators have come down in points quite a bit. mel_danes 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361361-incurser-tactics-ultramarines/#findComment-5467291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riddlesworth Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 As far as I'm aware infiltrators are still 22 ppm? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361361-incurser-tactics-ultramarines/#findComment-5468047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Lol sorry... meant to say Incursors aren’t that much cheaper. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361361-incurser-tactics-ultramarines/#findComment-5468062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riddlesworth Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Over 1 unit, no. But if you're taking 1 unit, you're probably taking 2 or 3, which starts to add up Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361361-incurser-tactics-ultramarines/#findComment-5468597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Two five man squads is all you really need . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361361-incurser-tactics-ultramarines/#findComment-5468746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel_danes Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 I take 2 five man units of Infiltrators to cover vast swathes of the board. I think I want to go heavier on Incursers. Really get up in the enemy's face, couple Warsuits 20 Incursers some Cpt support, and some Eliminators action. Try to own the midfield early. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/361361-incurser-tactics-ultramarines/#findComment-5469226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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