Primarch Triumvirate

[Captain Idaho]

I would totally buy into a new army of Legion of the Damned led by a mighty unknown warrior equivalent to a Primarch in stature and might...

[Karhedron]

I think they may have retconned Dorn. The skeleton in amber business is no more. I think it's just his hand (if even that) now. Someone please confirm?

That's right, just his charred skeletal hand was recovered from the Sword of Sacrilege.

 

Or was it????????????

 

Let's go back to "Praetorian of Dorn" when Dorn duelled Alpharius. Dorn conspicuously cut his brother's hands off before killing him. This means Dorn was potentially carrying around a spare Primarch hand just in case he ever needed to fake his own death and disappear. We know from Unremembered Empire that the Primarchs are so close genetically that Curze was able to trigger an assault drop that had been keyed to the Lion's DNA. I rather like the idea that Dorn is on some secret mission and that the IF Chapter masters have spent the last 90000 years engraving their names on Alpharius's bones.

Edited August 24, 2020 by Karhedron

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Dorn a sneaky ole cuss .

[tangoalphatwo]

Is it too much to ask for all of them? Space them out once a year and bring back all of them, sans 2 & 11. I’m sure some will be butthurt by bringing back any of them, but others will be happy for each... so :cuss it, bring em all back. Then by the end, it will have been long enough to refresh their models. Boom! Everybody wins.

[Scribe]

Is it too much to ask for all of them? Space them out once a year and bring back all of them, sans 2 & 11. I’m sure some will be butthurt by bringing back any of them, but others will be happy for each... so it, bring em all back. Then by the end, it will have been long enough to refresh their models. Boom! Everybody wins.

 

No, not 'everybody wins' if you cheapen the setting by bringing back that which should remain dead.

[tangoalphatwo]

Like I said. People will be upset no matter what. Personally, I like the concept of the Primarch being ancient history. Long gone. No more. Myth. I think that setting is way cooler than even having demon Primarchs. So. If they’re gonna bring back one. Bring them all back.

[Elzender]

I wouldn't see with bad eyes if Ferrus was to return as the leader of the Legion of the Damned (from what I've read in the B&C, something similar was hinted in Master of Mankind). While his death is a critical point in the Heresy, marking the point of no return for the traitors, and specially Fulgrim, I feel that his character was never fully developed, since well, the role he sadly played in the Heresy was basically dying. You could argue that Sanguinius suffers a similar fate, but in his case, he goes to fight knowingly that he will die at the hands of Horus; according to the HH novels, he actually had visions of it for a long time, adding more dramatic weight to his decision. Sanguinius knowingly sacrificied his life for the Emperor and for the survival of the Imperium, fullfilling his destiny, whereas Ferrus died surrounded and betrayed by his dearest brother (and four more that basically destroyed his legion).

 

Thus, him coming back as a spirit of vengeance, in the context of the psychic awakening, and maybe powered by the Emperor as a "miracle", would be a potentially interesting story, and giving Ferrus a bit more development.

[Lord_Caerolion]

 

I think they may have retconned Dorn. The skeleton in amber business is no more. I think it's just his hand (if even that) now. Someone please confirm?

That's right, just his charred skeletal hand was recovered from the Sword of Sacrilege.

 

Or was it????????????

 

Let's go back to "Praetorian of Dorn" when Dorn duelled Alpharius. Dorn conspicuously cut his brother's hands off before killing him. This means Dorn was potentially carrying around a spare Primarch hand just in case he ever needed to fake his own death and disappear. We know from Unremembered Empire that the Primarchs are so close genetically that Curze was able to trigger an assault drop that had been keyed to the Lion's DNA. I rather like the idea that Dorn is on some secret mission and that the IF Chapter masters have spent the last 90000 years engraving their names on Alpharius's bones.

 

 

"Ok Rogal, we've been engraving names on your hand for thousands of years. We ain't gonna stop now. Roll up your sleeve."

[bigtrouble]

Wait, I forgot the Lion? LOL.

 

Rob, Lion, Russ, Khan.

 

That's gotta be the best 4.

 

Rob, we have him duh.

 

Russ, SW fanboys are a ravenous horde, easy sell.

 

Lion, Dark Angels are a big thing, way more than Raven Guard (sorry!)

 

Khan, the outsider, but could be a very cool model.

what do you make of the fact that the Lion was recently (and spectacularly) released by FW for HH? Does this make a 40k datasheet more or less likely?

[b1soul]

I think a bit more expansion on the concept of Ferrus' soul (or a part of his soul) as a powerful figure among the LotD would be fine

 

Also, more delving into the psychic or metaphysical link between the Sanguinor and Sanguinius would be fine.

 

I don't think there should be an effort to bring back either of these two beyond the above.

 

Dorn is fair game, I believe. His death was never hard canon.

[kombatwombat]

Isn’t the Lion awake and moving around (in realspace no less) as of the end of Warzone Fenris? Surely that has to make him the strongest competitor, along with Russ who hasn’t been ‘on-camera’ but has the largest fan following and has the grey ship at the Gathering Storm speculation.

 

Ferrus is shown in Master of Mankind in everything but name at the head of the Legion of the Damned/Imperial Daemons. That would be a simple enough means of bringing him back to the setting, with a true centrepiece model to boot.

[Lord_Caerolion]

 

Wait, I forgot the Lion? LOL.

 

Rob, Lion, Russ, Khan.

 

That's gotta be the best 4.

 

Rob, we have him duh.

 

Russ, SW fanboys are a ravenous horde, easy sell.

 

Lion, Dark Angels are a big thing, way more than Raven Guard (sorry!)

 

Khan, the outsider, but could be a very cool model.

what do you make of the fact that the Lion was recently (and spectacularly) released by FW for HH? Does this make a 40k datasheet more or less likely?

 

 

So have Horus, Night Haunter, Perturabo, Lorgar, Angron, Fulgrim, Mortarion, Magnus, Alpharius, Vulkan, Dorn, Russ, Guilliman, Sanguinius, Ferrus Manus, and Corax. None of those had 40k tie-ins with their release, why would this time be any different?

 

EDIT:

 

The only way I could accept Sanguinius coming back is as a warp-reflection, not truly him. Essentially, it's a daemon of the idea of Sanguinius, which would contain parts of his soul, but also be affected, changed, and shaped by the worship of the entire Imperium. 

Edited August 25, 2020 by Lord_Caerolion

[Scribe]

We already had a Rob, and we got another.

 

Plastic Lion? Sure.

 

Then again is that too Vanilla? Maybe.

[Lord_Caerolion]

My point is that we've got 30k and 40k Guilliman, Mortarion, and Magnus, but none of them had their 40k and 30k releases coincide at all. As such, FW releasing a resin Lion for 30k doesn't really mean anything when it comes to 40k.

[War Angel]

My point is that we've got 30k and 40k Guilliman, Mortarion, and Magnus, but none of them had their 40k and 30k releases coincide at all. As such, FW releasing a resin Lion for 30k doesn't really mean anything when it comes to 40k.

True, but it’s 3 releases out of 20 options. The two likely have nothing to do with each other. Could be lion next, could be vampire warp demon sanguinius.

 

There’s no proof Dorn is dead in the current fluff. No proof it’s even his hand.

 

Hell, rob was dead, he’s back now.

 

Doubt GW stops at four. Might take them a long time, well, they actually said it was going to take along time in between. I look forward to putting paint on a Primaris I can use in my army.

[Lord_Caerolion]

Correct, it could be Lion next. However, we can't read anything in to "they've just released his Heresy-era model". It's not been an indication of an impending 40k release in the past. This is the 17th Primarch model they'll have released. If it didn't happen the previous 16 times, I'm not expecting it to happen this time.

[Scribe]

Rob was not dead, that's literally why he made sense (beyond being the primarch of the poster boys) to bring into the game.

 

He was never dead, he was in stasis.

 

Or am I crazy...

[Gederas]

Rob was not dead, that's literally why he made sense (beyond being the primarch of the poster boys) to bring into the game.

 

He was never dead, he was in stasis.

 

Or am I crazy...

Technically correct, yes.

 

Guilliman was put into stasis at the moment BEFORE he would have died from the poison. So.... Not dead but certainly not in a state where resurrection was considered a possibility.

[War Angel]

 

Rob was not dead, that's literally why he made sense (beyond being the primarch of the poster boys) to bring into the game.

He was never dead, he was in stasis.

Or am I crazy...

 

Technically correct, yes.

 

Guilliman was put into stasis at the moment BEFORE he would have died from the poison. So.... Not dead but certainly not in a state where resurrection was considered a possibility.

Was the 3 rounds (I’d say bullets but I don’t know if that only applies to stubbers) to the head retconned?

 

I mean, even then I thought he would come back; they had mentioned a rumor that the wounds were slowly healing over thousands of years, just never thought it would happen for the table, but the game was smaller then, so now there’s room on the table for bigger players.

[Lord_Caerolion]

I only remember it being the cut to the throat, nothing about being shot in the head.

[Karhedron]

The Emperor also makes a reference to "fixing" Ferrus if he had enough time in one of the HH shorts.

Really? Can you remember which one? I may have missed a few of the shorts and that one doesn't ring any bells.

 

I must say that "fixing" Ferrus sounds a bit unlikely since he was decapitated and Horus now has his defleshed skull. Remember the Emperor admitted he couldn't fix Angron despite his head still being on his shoulders and most of his brain still being present. If he couldn't fix Angron, I doubt he would stand much chance with Ferrus.

[b1soul]

Rob and the Lion as the Lord Commanders and Grand Strategists of the Imperium Reborn

 

Russ and the Khan as the Crusading Warmasters tasked with scouring all enemies of Mankind from Imperium Nihilus.

 

That's my preferred A-Team

 

If I can't get the Khan, I think Corax works as well

 

At the end of Path of Heaven, the Khan and Russ pledge to fight side by side in the future as they were meant to. This is the time.

 

Corax and Russ also have a history with the Weregeld between them.

 

Heck, I'd be down for the Khan and Corax, but I think Russ needs to be included for the commercial hype.

Edited August 25, 2020 by b1soul

[Guest]

Rob and the Lion as the Lord Commanders and Grand Strategists of the Imperium Reborn

 

Russ and the Khan as the Crusading Warmasters tasked with scouring all enemies of Mankind from Imperium Nihilus.

 

That's my preferred A-Team

 

If I can't get the Khan, I think Corax works as well

 

At the end of Path of Heaven, the Khan and Russ pledge to fight side by side in the future as they were meant to. This is the time.

 

Corax and Russ also have a history with the Weregeld between them.

 

Heck, I'd be down for the Khan and Corax, but I think Russ needs to be included for the commercial hype.

 

 

Didn't Russ also tell Corax that if he ever need help he would come at all costs? I feel by the end of the Heresy Russ turned a leaf into trusting his brothers more and joining them in a more formal fraternity. Those 3  (khan, corax, russ) with Russ being the anchor for them would be a immense strike force to be dealt with. Rapid Assault, Covert Assault, and Frontal Assault.

[b1soul]

I think so as Russ owes his life to Corax after Weregeld, so there is potential for an interesting relationship to develop

 

Khan and Russ are like Genghis Khan and Ragnar Lothbrok going on an absolute tear...doesn't get more metal than that

 

If we're talking the triple whammy of Khan, Russ, and Corax, I think relative to Khan and Corax, Russ is the most gregarious and willing to communicate, so he'd definitely be the glue. The other two are taciturn loners among the primarchs who to tend withdraw into themselves and do their own thing

 

Dorn and Vulkan would be the more stolid protectors of humanity in their own way. But frankly I'm much less excited about them.

Edited August 25, 2020 by b1soul

[Kastor Krieg]

Crusader Templar Dorn, the opposite of Castellan / Praetoria Dorn, now striking out of the besieged Imperium, into the dark.

Ethereal, Legion of the Damned-leading headless Ghost Rider Ferrus

Old Man Russ, but not a warrior anymore, he's the Odin-Russ to the old Thor-Russ now, he returns from the Warp and matches Magnus' warp powers as the Runelord.