Primarch Triumvirate

[Lord_Caerolion]

 

The Emperor also makes a reference to "fixing" Ferrus if he had enough time in one of the HH shorts.

Really? Can you remember which one? I may have missed a few of the shorts and that one doesn't ring any bells.

 

I must say that "fixing" Ferrus sounds a bit unlikely since he was decapitated and Horus now has his defleshed skull. Remember the Emperor admitted he couldn't fix Angron despite his head still being on his shoulders and most of his brain still being present. If he couldn't fix Angron, I doubt he would stand much chance with Ferrus.

“The Board is Set”, the Emperor playing a game of allegorical chess/40k with Malcador of the siege of Terra, with Malcador playing as Horus. One of the Emperors pieces that he loses in the opening gambits, the “Iron General”, the piece breaks when it’s removed from the board, and the Emperor muses “I must fix that when I have the chance”, or words to that effect.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

The only ones I’m interested to see come back are BA, IH and RG.

[WrathOfTheLion]

You forgot WB 

 

I don't really think that they will end up doing a triumvirate there. The problem with bringing loyalist primarchs back is that unlike their traitor brethren, they will likely organize themselves together.

Part of the interesting story with Guilliman is how does he 'age', or how does ruling such a different imperium than he left it change him, possibly for the worse.

 

I think they may bring back more loyalist Primarchs, but they will be occupied in some way. An example could be Lion El'Jonson, who may come back to fight the Fallen Legion. That would be a case where they would be occupied, possibly for a while, without being able to organize with Guilliman.

 

For storytelling, I see the Lion/Guilliman or Corax/Guilliman as the most interesting, due to how they are different. As Lion El'Jonson has been incapacitated since just after the HH, he is essentially the 'youngest' still, while Guilliman would be aged after a long rule. Corax contrasts with Guilliman for a different reason, as he has always wished to fight for justice, while Guilliman becomes more and more authoritarian as time goes on.

Edited August 25, 2020 by WrathOfTheLion

[b1soul]

A meta-plot arc where Guilliman awakens the Lion and the two then resolve to search for their other lost brothers would be delicious. I am surprised Guilliman hasn't made a taskforce to do this yet...or perhaps he already has

[Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla]

 

Khan and Russ are like Genghis Khan and Ragnar Lothbrok going on an absolute tear...doesn't get more metal than that

 

 

 

Sure it can. Khan returning as a Deamon Prince of Slaneesh living only for hunt, a primarch version of the Doomrider but doing a lots more of c-c-cocain. He always was a solitary type and there is this hilarious speculation that he left because he was just so damn bored, so it could be a pretty decent character developement for someone who spent several millenia simply enjoying himself. I just can't see how he could grow to be more involved with the Imperium after return.

[Karhedron]

A meta-plot arc where Guilliman awakens the Lion and the two then resolve to search for their other lost brothers would be delicious. I am surprised Guilliman hasn't made a taskforce to do this yet...or perhaps he already has

We know some details of the missing Primarchs but Guilliman has little reason to suspect that any of his brothers are still alive. Corax and the Lion both vanished well before Guilliman went into stasis. If he couldn't/didn't look for them at the time, what is the point of trying now when the trail is 9000 years cold?

 

He has every reason to believe Dorn and Vulkan dead (and they may well be). Russ and Khan are MIA but multiple SW Great Hunts have failed to find Russ and seem to have some evidence that he is dead (or at least suffering from a slight case of nudity ).

 

Searching for his lost brothers is not a good use of his time or of a taskforce. That is more a job suited to roving investigators like Inquisitors or Rogue Traders. They are more likely to stumble across clues than an organised taskforce trying to methodically follow a trail so old. Remember that we only recently found the tomb of Richard III and he was only killed just over 500 years ago.

Edited August 26, 2020 by Karhedron

[b1soul]

I think he may have started some efforts during The Scouring...that's a blank book to be filled in

 

In M42, he just has to outsource this task to an order of individuals, a hands-off fire-and-forget deal. Could be a small group of Inqisitors he trusts.

 

He might also have some very general info about the possible whereabouts of Corax, Russ, and the Khan, enough to surmise that they're probably in realms where time flows differently?

 

It's not going to take much of his time, and if they get lucky, it could be a major gain for the Imperium.

 

I'd be surprised if he doesn't have some team working on this. The opportunity cost is super low.

Edited August 26, 2020 by b1soul

[Inquisitor Eisenhorn]

I think Corax and Russ are the most likely to return if any more do. Wasn't there some warcom video with a poster of Corax saying "have you seen this primarch?" or "missing" or something to that effect? Seems like a fairly random troll from them if it didn't mean anything.

 

Also, I think that those two do the best job of balancing out the concept of a triumvirate with Gman. You get the levelheaded one, the stealth one, and the hotheaded melee one. Plus they are both missing, not dead so no dumb hoops need to be jumped through to bring them back. GMan was where they played the resurrection card and I don't see them doing it again.

[Brother Sergeant Tiberius]

I think Corax and Russ are the most likely to return if any more do. Wasn't there some warcom video with a poster of Corax saying "have you seen this primarch?" or "missing" or something to that effect? Seems like a fairly random troll from them if it didn't mean anything.

 

Also, I think that those two do the best job of balancing out the concept of a triumvirate with Gman. You get the levelheaded one, the stealth one, and the hotheaded melee one. Plus they are both missing, not dead so no dumb hoops need to be jumped through to bring them back. GMan was where they played the resurrection card and I don't see them doing it again.

Lion isn't dead though, he was napping and cypher has been doing his thing with the fallen for awhile now.

They do like to troll with plastic thunderhawk notes on videos so corax could be a red herring poster.

[WrathOfTheLion]

Nah, it's probably just trolling. Every other article about DA has a jab on Jonson's alarm clock.

Lion El'Jonson is much more likely than Russ, he has a known location and status and a brewing conflict between loyalists and Fallen.

 

Any significant advancement in the timeline of the current setting is likely to run into Lion El'Jonson awakening. As the gathering of Fallen is known, there's no way they can believably punt that too many years in the setting. They won't just let them organize for another 150 years for example.

Edited August 28, 2020 by WrathOfTheLion

[Karhedron]

Johnson is probably the easiest Primarch to return as his location is known (to us at least) and we also know he is fully healed. There are no preconditions that need to be met for him to come back.

 

Russ will allegedly not return until the Space Wolves are dying. While they took a pasting in Wrath of Magnus, they have been refreshed with a Primaris infusion. I would say further trouble needs to before the Wolves before Russ would be likely to return.

 

Corax and Khan could potentially just wander out of the EoT or Webway at any point.

 

Vulkan and Dorn are both presumed dead. GW could simply say they were never dead since Vulkan is a perpetual and Dorn's body was never found. Not sure how satisfying such as storyline could be but it could be done/

 

My hunch is that the Lion will be the next to return as he is the easiest to find, the DA's plotline seems most advanced and Dark Angels are one of the "Big 4" Chapters so seems more likely to me than a lesser known Chapter like RG, WS, IFs or Salamanders.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

I want wulfen daemon prince Russ .

[Guest]

I want wulfen daemon prince Russ .

No, just no. That would violate so much lore and reasonings.

[b1soul]

A less-than-sane semi-Wulfen Russ would be interesting (not full furry but similar to the SW Jarl in the Ahriman series)

 

...but I don't know where they'd be taking the narrative with that concept. Powerful elements within the Imperium would want to put him down like a rabid dog. Would Guilliman risk civil war to protect his brother?

[Guest]

A less-than-sane semi-Wulfen Russ would be interesting (not full furry but similar to the SW Jarl in the Ahriman series)

...but I don't know where they'd be taking the narrative with that concept. Powerful elements within the Imperium would want to put him down like a rabid dog. Would Guilliman risk civil war to protect his brother?

He'd be a broken tool, and we know from Angron what happens when you keep a broken tool around. It eventually breaks and hurts the wielded. I expect Guilliman would just put him down. What use would a giant wulfen do? Rage mindlessly? Scare the Imperium of the horrors a Primarch could become? He does not have the capability to lead his legion much less take care for them. At that point his combat prowess is not worth the issue is it brings.

[Karhedron]

I would rather see Odin-Russ, his ferocity tempered by wisdom and cunning. And some nifty frost-based abilities and an anti-psyker aura.

[Guest Triszin]

I would rather see Odin-Russ, his ferocity tempered by wisdom and cunning. And some nifty frost-based abilities and an anti-psyker aura.

im embracing full changes and hypocrisy

 

Russ will hopefully return Odin style. one eye and all.

a mirror of Magnus, it has been hinted a ton that russ is also a powerful psyker but just hated that part and denied it.

I think RUSS would be the PERFECT primarch to return with the pyskic awakening happening in 40k.

 

Humans need someone who is capable of guiding them on to/near the golden path again. That is russ.

 

 

Corax: Intelligence gathering // tactics advancement (threat identification)

Gulliman: Logistics // stability

Lion: "war master" // forgiveness

russ: frontal assault // spiritual guide

Vulkan: tech advancement  // survival ,no one left behind

Khan: fleet master // rapid response

Dorn: fortifier // crusader, faith

 

so things to consider:

The only primarch that was truly "static" was Robby. he was in stasis.

We know primarchs do not need sleep. for all we know Lion has been spirit walking in the warp for 10k years, and I think I would kinda like it if he were.

 

I think we'll get Angron before the next loyalist.

 

 

I think realisitcally the first 3 loyalists

 

Robby: logistics/stability/imperial truth

Dorn: fortify/Crusadar/faith

Corax: intelligence/tactics/assainations

 

Russ and Lion make the most sense, but they are also immensely popular. and because of that I suspect we will get other primarchs between them

Edited August 29, 2020 by Triszin

[Inquisitor Eisenhorn]

If El'Johnson came back though it would force changes to the nature of the Dark Angels Fallen plot mystery so I find him less likely than a lot of Primarchs even if he's technically alive and location is known. I wouldn't want to touch that issue with a 10-foot pole if I were GW. They brought GMan back and it didn't really effect what we know about the Ultramarines lore.

[Gederas]

If El'Johnson came back though it would force changes to the nature of the Dark Angels Fallen plot mystery so I find him less likely than a lot of Primarchs even if he's technically alive and location is known. I wouldn't want to touch that issue with a 10-foot pole if I were GW. They brought GMan back and it didn't really effect what we know about the Ultramarines lore.

Let's be honest here: They NEED to because the Fallen plot mystery is, to use a trope, a Malignant Plot Tumor on the Dark Angels lore that needs removal because it's there and basically disallows the Dark Angels from having ANY plot without them.

 

Like, for sake, they even had a Fallen plotline in a book that the Dark Angels appeared in that wasn't about the Dark Angels in the first place! (one of the Ragnar books)

 

The Fallen are supposed to be rare. But somehow, whenever Dark Angels are in a story, Fallen are involved.

 

I think the only time Fallen weren't involved with Dark Angels fluff was in Psychic Awakening: Ritual of the Damned, and I can bet money that was because GW couldn't find a way to shoehorn them in without everyone calling them out on it.

Edited August 29, 2020 by Gederas

[Scribe]

If El'Johnson came back though it would force changes to the nature of the Dark Angels Fallen plot mystery so I find him less likely than a lot of Primarchs even if he's technically alive and location is known. I wouldn't want to touch that issue with a 10-foot pole if I were GW. They brought GMan back and it didn't really effect what we know about the Ultramarines lore.

 

I can see it as a way to conclude that storyline, and but then again its wrapped up into even the army list at this point.

 

Would make it hard for sure.

[WrathOfTheLion]

If El'Johnson came back though it would force changes to the nature of the Dark Angels Fallen plot mystery so I find him less likely than a lot of Primarchs even if he's technically alive and location is known. I wouldn't want to touch that issue with a 10-foot pole if I were GW. They brought GMan back and it didn't really effect what we know about the Ultramarines lore.

They've already started changing the Fallen plotline in preparation. Luther has escaped the Rock and Fallen are gathering in the (tens of?) thousands in the Somnium Stars. The timeline cannot be advanced without something occurring there.

 

So the nature will switch from hunting to a full campaign regardless of bringing Jonson back.

Edited August 29, 2020 by WrathOfTheLion

[War Angel]

 

If El'Johnson came back though it would force changes to the nature of the Dark Angels Fallen plot mystery so I find him less likely than a lot of Primarchs even if he's technically alive and location is known. I wouldn't want to touch that issue with a 10-foot pole if I were GW. They brought GMan back and it didn't really effect what we know about the Ultramarines lore.

They've already started changing the Fallen plotline in preparation. Luther has escaped the Rock and Fallen are gathering in the (tens of?) thousands in the Somnium Stars. The timeline cannot be advanced without something occurring there.

So the nature will switch from hunting to a full campaign regardless of bringing Jonson back.

Oooo, codex fallen?

[b1soul]

Luther has escaped the Rock...when, how?

[gorg_graggel]

Vulkan and Dorn are both presumed dead. GW could simply say they were never dead since Vulkan is a perpetual and Dorn's body was never found. Not sure how satisfying such as storyline could be but it could be done.

 

The Salamander supplement hints at some kind of development regarding Vulkan or rather the artefacts needed to be found before he returns.

 

In the wake of the Great Rift's opening, many believe that the devastating empyric disruption to communication and travel have rendered He'stan's quest impossible. Yet it is in this darkest hour that a fresh clue has revealed itself; an ember burning bright in the dark of the Imperium Nihilus, upon a world named Zero. An ember that hints at the location of the Unbound Flame...

 

It is the last section in He'stan's entry and refers to his hunt of Vulkan's relics that would bring about the Primarch's return. The Unbound Flame is sometimes related to Vulkan himself or some kind of sarcophagus containing his body. Maybe that's part of a build up to Vulkan's return 'at some point'... Edited August 29, 2020 by gorg_graggel

[WrathOfTheLion]

Luther has escaped the Rock...when, how?

He escaped during the Daemonic invasion of the Rock by the Fallen Daemon prince Marbas.

 

It's lore from the 8E DA codex.

 

The ending of the timeline portion then goes on to say,

 

"They speak of a gathering of many of the Fallen, a corrupted Legion reassembling in numbers enough to bring the entire galaxy to heel. Azrael alone suspects the truth of who is leading them..."

 

He should be over 100 years escaped by now would be my guess. The invasion should've occurred around the opening of the Great Rift.

Edited August 29, 2020 by WrathOfTheLion