Disciplined Shooters....

[KGatch113]

It says....within 18 inches with a Rapid Fire weapon, you double the attacks you make "rather than following the normal rules for Rapid Fire Weapons". 

So at first glance, absent orders, is all that this rule does is make you shoot a lasgun twice upto 18 inches?

With FRFSRF that would give you 8 shots per lasgun, correct, or would you still ignore Rapid Fire? 

[GrinNfool]

FRSRF makes your lasgun rapidfire 2, thats 4 shots at 18" not 8.  You seem to be trying to apply both rapid fire rules here for some reason when you yourself quote its rather than normal rules.  Rather than doesn't mean in addition to.

Edited February 15, 2020 by GrinNfool

[GuardDaddy]

I don't believe so. It's a range boost.

[sairence]

They clarified this years ago for the steel legion doctrine. It's 4 shot out to 18".

[GuardDaddy]

its still excellent - I believe what I like to call TANITH doctrine (Disciplined Shooters + Wilderness Survivers) - is now the best Infantry regiment/detachment doctrine. 

[KGatch113]

FRSRF makes your lasgun rapidfire 2, thats 4 shots at 18" not 8.  You seem to be trying to apply both rapid fire rules here for some reason when you yourself quote its rather than normal rules.  Rather than doesn't mean in addition to.

My bad. A reviewer got it wrong. 

 

It's pretty meh. IMHO. 

 

Since you ignore rapid fire rules, even with FRFSRF you'd only get 2 shots, wouldn't you?

[Harrowmaster]

You normally get 4 shots at 12 with rank fire, this trait extends the double tap range to 18. Letting you get 4 shots at 18 with rank fire, or 2 at 18 without.

Edit: The ignoring rules part is to allow the extended double tap range of 18". 

Edited February 15, 2020 by Harrowmaster

[Lemondish]

 

FRSRF makes your lasgun rapidfire 2, thats 4 shots at 18" not 8.  You seem to be trying to apply both rapid fire rules here for some reason when you yourself quote its rather than normal rules.  Rather than doesn't mean in addition to.

My bad. A reviewer got it wrong. 

 

It's pretty meh. IMHO. 

 

Since you ignore rapid fire rules, even with FRFSRF you'd only get 2 shots, wouldn't you?

 

 

No - ignore is not the proper word to use. Rapid Fire absolutely still applies. The thing you seem to be hung up is the trigger and effect. 

 

For example, the trigger for normal Rapid Fire is half range, and the effect is double the shots. It lets you fire a second shot when you're within half range of the target. 

 

This trait replaces that trigger, but does not change anything about the weapon type. You will now trigger the effect at 18'' instead of within half the range of the weapon. You still fire a second shot, except instead of the requirement being within half range, it is within 18''. 

 

That means a 24'' lasgun which normally would fire twice at targets within 12'' would now fire twice at targets within 18''. FRFSRF changes the weapon type to Rapid Fire 2, but the 18'' trigger still applies for 4 shots within that range. 

[redmapa]

its still excellent - I believe what I like to call TANITH doctrine (Disciplined Shooters + Wilderness Survivers) - is now the best Infantry regiment/detachment doctrine. 

 

Yeah that seems like a great combo, I was actually thinking of doing that but to represent Armaggedon Ork Hunters as the first half fits with their Armaggeddon training and then the second fits their specialty plus you can add a transport to your infantry and now they have a 4+sv while also retaining some speed to deploy elsewhere.

[War Angel]

Is it better than Cadia’s reroll?

[Bonzi]

I think the bonus traits are tricky. You can combo some of them to be pretty good, but you miss out on the special strats, relics, and orders the named regiments get.

 

For example, I could take the +6" range to heavies and reroll shots instead of vostroyans...but I lose the strat of +1 BS which is huge, and I loose the extra range on all my 24" rapid fire weapons which is actually a pretty subtle and under appreciated boost. The new combo is good but it's not auto takeover the regiment.

[GuardDaddy]

I think the bonus traits are tricky. You can combo some of them to be pretty good, but you miss out on the special strats, relics, and orders the named regiments get.

 

Very fair point

Is it better than Cadia’s reroll?

 

Not on a static detachment, but I think so on a mobile one (I run Cadian firebase detachment and a Tallarn mobile/screen detachment of infantry)

 

Remember going second you now have all infantry with 4+ save without having to use prepared positions. So for example a conscript screen of 30models can be boosted to 3+ with take cover strat to give them Power Armour!! (3+)