Dumb to buy non-Primaris?

[Dracos]

I keep seeing this "wish" for a heavier Primaris unit than the two grav units we have already. I always loved my Termies in the day and I actually really dig the Centurions. Comparatively for their points Assault Centurions are OP. I don't think we're going to see an infantry unit heavier than Aggressors or Inceptors right now. 

 

The Impulsor has helped but even with Inceptors and Suppressors, the one element Primaris are still missing is maneuverability. Although dedicated anti-tank could be pointed out, we all now "X" number of bolt rifles can even take down a Knight. It's this missing element of maneuver that gives me hope that the potato pic of Primaris Bikes and Land Speeder might have some plausibility. 

 

The following is purely conjecture. As 9th edition comes upon us, I think we are going to see a turn of the wheel. Overwhelming lead farming with large number of shots and meaningless AP is going to be scaled back and make lascannons and melta important again. I'm expecting to see a Cawl design, maybe on that Primaris Land Speeder or Bike squad I think is going around the corner.

[Ishagu]

Assault Centurions are only strong with chapters that modify movement or deployment. Otherwise they are costed correctly. Short range weapons on a unit that moves 4" a turn or requires a very expensive transport.

[MegaVolt87]

Primaris terminator should be a new varient mk II Saturine terminator suit, would be like a termi and cent all rolled into one then. Still want OG saturine termi's though as well.

[Slave to Darkness]

 

The horus heresy will eventually reach the siege of terra where the loyalists have secured thousands of suits of markVII power armour... They could literally repackage the current mark VII tacticals as horus heresy with a horus heresy loyalist transfer sheet and call ot a day.

That would make me a very happy camper, would be even better if the Heresy stays with the current rules and not jump to 8th. 

[Guest MistaGav]

I think it depends on what people consider to be non-primaris and whether they are worth buying into or not. A lot of powerful lists at the moment seem to use just as much older marines as well as primaris. I happen to have a good mix of stuff that can easily function like Predator tanks, Whirlwinds, Bikes, Terminators, Flyers etc and they're all pretty good.

Having said that I think all future releases and purchases will be primaris and I don't think I'll be getting much stuff before either. My firstborn character list is quite small and I don't have any tactical, assault or devastator marines now.

[Ishagu]

 

 

 

The horus heresy will eventually reach the siege of terra where the loyalists have secured thousands of suits of markVII power armour... They could literally repackage the current mark VII tacticals as horus heresy with a horus heresy loyalist transfer sheet and call ot a day.

That would make me a very happy camper, would be even better if the Heresy stays with the current rules and not jump to 8th.

The best way to enjoy the hobby and any particular aspect of it is to have it thrive.

The Horus Heresy game took a massive, massive hit and decline in popularity following the release of 8th. I play very often, and not just locally to where I live. 30k is near dead as a game, although it does have a loyal base of collector followers.

 

I don't think it's best for it to remain with the old rules, and it should have transitioned long ago.

 

When something grows in popularity, as 40k and tabletop gaming has over the last 3 years, all aspects should be able to benefit from the extra players and fans. 30k has not.

 

Going back to topic, I stand by my original point in that you should buy what you like. There's no danger of models not being usable in the near future.

Edited April 11, 2020 by Ishagu

[MegaVolt87]

Its not an old vs new rules issue for HH, its a combination of limited plastics, few new releases, lack of a chapter approved (legio approved ?) revisions, inconsistant product catalouge, predatory regional pricing and the fact GW stores don't like FW or the HH game in their stores. If I could play HH once a week/ every second week I could grow a local community in a GW store, I have done that in an LGS with warmahordes back when I was still into it.

 

GW should stop being cowards and seperate out primaris in a dex now, and a seperate old marine one with an optional allied type system so you can soup or mono dex without penalty.

Edited April 12, 2020 by MegaVolt87

[Lord_Caerolion]

Its not an old vs new rules issue for HH, its a combination of limited plastics, few new releases, lack of a chapter approved (legio approved ?) revisions, inconsistant product catalouge, predatory regional pricing and the fact GW stores don't like FW or the HH game in their stores. If I could play HH once a week/ every second week I could grow a local community in a GW store, I have done that in an LGS with warmahordes back when I was still into it.

 

GW should stop being cowards and seperate out primaris in a dex now, and a seperate old marine one with an optional allied type system so you can soup or mono dex without penalty.

 

GW stores still don't like FW? Both my nearby stores have zero issues with Forge World at all. That must just be the manager of that particular store holding on to the old FW hate. Given how integrated the sites are becoming, I can't see official GW policy having any issues with FW at all.

 

EDIT: And no, the whole "they don't like stuff you can't physically buy in the store" argument holds no water, given the increasing numbers of "Online Only" models from the main GW lines.

Edited April 17, 2020 by Lord_Caerolion

[Gederas]

Its not an old vs new rules issue for HH, its a combination of limited plastics, few new releases, lack of a chapter approved (legio approved ?) revisions, inconsistant product catalouge, predatory regional pricing and the fact GW stores don't like FW or the HH game in their stores. If I could play HH once a week/ every second week I could grow a local community in a GW store, I have done that in an LGS with warmahordes back when I was still into it.

 

GW should stop being cowards and seperate out primaris in a dex now, and a seperate old marine one with an optional allied type system so you can soup or mono dex without penalty.

GW stores still don't like FW? Both my nearby stores have zero issues with Forge World at all. That must just be the manager of that particular store holding on to the old FW hate. Given how integrated the sites are becoming, I can't see official GW policy having any issues with FW at all.

 

EDIT: And no, the whole "they don't like stuff you can't physically buy in the store" argument holds no water, given the increasing numbers of "Online Only" models from the main GW lines.

The manager of my local GW explained the "they don't like stuff you can't physically buy in the store" stance/argument. Every single GW store has a kiosk you can order the online only stuff from.

 

You can't order Forge World units from that kiosk. Hence that issue.

 

Note: He thought that was a stupid stance as a side note

[Lord_Caerolion]

Weird, I thought you could?

[Panzer]

It always depends on the store manager, really. Some don't care, some do.

[Gederas]

Weird, I thought you could?

It always depends on the store manager, really. Some don't care, some do.

The store kiosk actually blocks the Forge World website. The only sites it allows are Games Workshop's main page and Warhammer Community. (note: this is for the Warhammer store near me)

[Spinsanity]

Pretty sure all in-store kiosks are locked to these two domains and don’t let any other through...

[Closet Skeleton]

Forgeworld doesn't ship to stores for free so it makes sense for them not to be orderable in store. Well, Forgeworld not shipping to stores doesn't make sense but whatever.

 

I've seen people play Horus Heresy in GW stores.