FW Friday! New

[Brother Tholath]

In case people hadn't spotted it yet, new Arquitor variant

 

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Legion-Bombard-With-Heavy-Bombard-2020

 

Rules (With all three types now together)

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/Datasheets//Arquitor_Bombard.pdf

 

Edited March 13, 2020 by Brother Tyler
Added picture

[Marshal Rohr]

This one is the one I was waiting for. Trying to decide if the rockets or Cannon are better for my urban themed army. Cannon is classic, but rockets feel more thematic.

[Brother Tholath]

It's a shame they didn't do it like the Sabre, where you could magnatise it and buy all three weapons at the same time

[ranulf the revenant]

It looks very nice, but 118 € for a fairly small tank?   I know FW is expensive, but woah...

[Marshal Loss]

Makes the grav option, which costs exactly the same, look like an utter joke. They really need to amend the stats for it.

 

The bombard is nice but I think the rockets look the best (aesthetic-wise) to me though, and are what I'd go with were I looking to purchase one.

[Scammel]

It looks very nice, but 118 € for a fairly small tank?   I know FW is expensive, but woah...

It's not small - I'd say the spicula version is a little chunkier than a Sicaran. The bombard cannon is probably huge, I think the scale of it is making the rest of the model appear dinky in the photo.

[Gorgoff]

I don't get it.

That's a worseMedusa

[Brother Tholath]

Not sure if people read the WC article, but it says Crusade should be out later this year!

 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/03/13/bring-out-the-big-guns/

 

"All three Arquitors will also feature in the next Horus Heresy book, Crusade, along with extra rules and units for the Dark Angels and Night Lords Legions, as well as loads of cool background on the Thramas campaign. It will be available later this year, so keep your eyes peeled."

[Scammel]

I don't get it.

That's a worseMedusa

The alternate firing mode is a significant consideration. I think it's a wash.

[SkimaskMohawk]

I don't get it.

That's a worseMedusa

It's cheaper and more resilient and you can have 9 compared to 3. And more versatility against solar aux, cults and daemons.

 

I think it's a pretty fair trade off tbh.

[AdamSMValar]

I mean a vindicator with PoTMS is 145pts and I think it's a better option than this but that's my opinion. Not to mention the full palaver with the Arquitor not actually being able to fire any of its weapons anyways

[SkimaskMohawk]

I mean a vindicator with PoTMS is 145pts and I think it's a better option than this but that's my opinion. Not to mention the full palaver with the Arquitor not actually being able to fire any of its weapons anyways

Well that vindicator only gets 6" more range, has to have line of sight, only hits front arc, and grants cover in all cases but area terrain.

 

As for not being able to fire it's weapons, it can shoot all of its weapons, the problem is the spicula is just a clear example of they don't understand fire arcs. It can still shoot by targeting a point in the air in its vertical arc and then letting the infinite blast cylinder do it's work. But that's clearly not the intent behind their ruling, and if you look at how blasts functioned in 5th and 6th (where they designed the majority of weapons around) you'd understand how this thing would never work.

[AdamSMValar]

Barrage has to be in its firing arc, and it's hull mounted it can go 45 degrees up to shoot not down so you can't shoot anything on the floor but you have to draw 'line of sight' to a models body torso legs or arms not a random place unless its the missile version, so barrage you'll scatter full distance every time Edited March 13, 2020 by AdamSMValar

[SkimaskMohawk]

Well first of all, it's a total 45 degree arc. So 22.5 up and down; it's like saying you only get 45 to the left. It also looks like it will be able to swing freely on an axle.

 

If your argument is that it can't line up its barrel past the hull to get ground level stuff in vertical arc, this is true. It's also true for the legion medusa and basilisk kits. And the minotaur, imperial bombard, wyvern, and manticore. Possibly the base basilisk too. Not to mention night spinner. Basically, the majority of barrage tanks made that isn't a whirlwind of some sort. None of them are able to target infantry if you're going with that argument.

[AdamSMValar]

It's not up and down read page 72 top corner it's up and only up. It's says to assume it can go down but that model it cannot depress the gun flat unlike the basilisk imperial bombard, wyvern, and manticore so it's not the same at all Edited March 14, 2020 by AdamSMValar

[SkimaskMohawk]

I have read it, apparently better than you;

 

"In the rare cases when this matters, assume the guns can swivel vertically up to 45 [degrees], even if the barrel on the model itself cannot physically do that."

 

That means it has a full vertical arc of 45, not that it can only go up. It would have to say "...can swivel vertically up, up to 45 degrees" .

 

And hate to break it to you, but even if the manticore and base basilisk depress the guns fully, you better bust out your protractor because youll have quite a deadzone. The imperial bombard clearly cannot be angled flat; the picture on their site where it's compared to the taurox is as low as it can go. Even with its 22.5 down, you will literally never be able to hit anything that's not on an upper floor of a ruin. The legion medusa and basilisk are slightly better, but still can only hit vehicles, not infantry.

 

None of the tanks with barrage are designed with the vertical arc in mind. They use minimum distance as a way to indicate the deadzone from firing depression.

[Gorgoff]

That's where the "Don't be THAT guy" kicks in.

Where rulewriters fail common sense will prevail.

 

I still think that this horrible looking tank is somewhat lacking.

[AdamSMValar]

I thought it was a 45 degree cone as the shooting arc from the barrel, then it can move 45 degrees down not including the cone

 

It is a don't be that guy moment, only because it's what could happen when you go to tournaments where you just have gamey people

[Brofist]

RAW it can't hit anything, its true. Goes to show how well the designers know their own game.

 

I feel most people just ignore it- the intent is clear for the gun to fire

[MegaVolt87]

I like the look of the cannon bombard, though I would like to know how big this is compared to a sicaran, FW vindi chassis etc. The pics make this thing look pretty small. These vehicles main armements should be 36' range IMO. 

[STC Logisengine]

It is a bit bigger than the Sicarian.