Prot Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 So there's a few angels I'm looking at this.... Aggressors is one, but Aggressors + Khan + Repulsor seems like a strong, deep threat that will be ready for assaults in Turn 3. If you're applying pressure from your table edge, or infiltrating a lot, this could make a very shooty army, very concerned and give you table top real estate while your opponent safe guards against your infiltration. Aside from this kind of Primaris pack, I'm having trouble of coming up with something that isn't.... Centurions. Or Centurions in a Landraider? What's working for you guys with Encirclement? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/362793-best-use-of-encirclement/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Disclaimer... space wolf who used the codex and not a true WS I have enjoyed using it on my leviathan to guarantee at least 1 alpha before dying. Can buff it to ignore movement penalty and reroll 1s if needed as well. If something tags it I can walk away and fire with a stratagem still I also use it on a chaplain venerable dread with imperium sword WL trait. If the charge is crucial I use the stratagem to get him a 3d6 charge as well Prot 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/362793-best-use-of-encirclement/#findComment-5496972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 So there's a few angels I'm looking at this.... Aggressors is one, but Aggressors + Khan + Repulsor seems like a strong, deep threat that will be ready for assaults in Turn 3. If you're applying pressure from your table edge, or infiltrating a lot, this could make a very shooty army, very concerned and give you table top real estate while your opponent safe guards against your infiltration. Aside from this kind of Primaris pack, I'm having trouble of coming up with something that isn't.... Centurions. Or Centurions in a Landraider? What's working for you guys with Encirclement? Big ass dread of some sort? Or why not an Astreus lol? Im not really a big fan of this stratagem. The board edge restriction is annoying for combat units. If you want a deep strike close combat threat then why not just regular boring ass terminators? They can come in on turn 2 and shoot with ap -1 and reliably charge and use fury of the first for fairly good damage. Prot 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/362793-best-use-of-encirclement/#findComment-5497010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted March 27, 2020 Author Share Posted March 27, 2020 (edited) Well.. boring Termies are... boring? I think Centurions, which don't have many options, get a huge boost from this right? I mean no need for a transport. Come out off the edge firing, and hopefully using terrain to engage. I often only use one tank... or in my case a Repulsor. So instead of losing it on T1 as it absorbs all of my opponent's shots, this almost guarantees it gets a turn or two AND gets to dump its contents into my opponent's zone. I just think that's powerful against some shooty armies in my meta. Against an assault army? Maybe not. P.S. Please don't give me a reason to order an Astreus!!!! lol Edited March 27, 2020 by Prot BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/362793-best-use-of-encirclement/#findComment-5497192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Well.. boring Termies are... boring? I think Centurions, which don't have many options, get a huge boost from this right? I mean no need for a transport. Come out off the edge firing, and hopefully using terrain to engage. I often only use one tank... or in my case a Repulsor. So instead of losing it on T1 as it absorbs all of my opponent's shots, this almost guarantees it gets a turn or two AND gets to dump its contents into my opponent's zone. I just think that's powerful against some shooty armies in my meta. Against an assault army? Maybe not. P.S. Please don't give me a reason to order an Astreus!!!! lol I would avoid assault centurions until after the spring FAQ. They are undercosted by a mile. Quick math... Tactical marine points per wound: 12 Assault Centurion points per wound: 13 This means that assault cents are getting 2 flamers, a hurricane bolter, a thunder hammer with -4 ap and no hit penalty, +1 toughness, +2 attacks, ignore cover, and a 2+ save for 1ppm. It is hard to believe this will go unaddressed. Boring terminators I think are an ok choice is that you dont need to pay command points to deep strike and can land anywhere. They also shoot well and can make reliable charges. Not great, not terrible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/362793-best-use-of-encirclement/#findComment-5497321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johanhgg Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Lightning claw terminators Will destroy anything in the game with a successful charge in Assault doctrine. 10 termies with lightningclaws -try it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/362793-best-use-of-encirclement/#findComment-5497525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumah Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 The trick of course is holding on until turn 3! Luckily the changes to combat doctrines makes that more likely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/362793-best-use-of-encirclement/#findComment-5497666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCE1981 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) Hellblasters, or a strong melee unit. Any Strong melee unit can get the benefits of a Chaplain on bike(Legends) or Jump pack. The White Scars litany is just awesome! I am not too big on Aggressors with encirclement, I would run 3x squads of Aggressors with a Chaplain in Terminator Armor. Give the Chaplain the Cyber Eagle Helm, and use Litanies of Hate and/or Strike off the Head. Edited April 1, 2020 by CCE1981 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/362793-best-use-of-encirclement/#findComment-5499535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted April 1, 2020 Author Share Posted April 1, 2020 So far the aggressors with HQs outflanking in the Repulsor has been working okay. Again its really being able to get out with Debarkation in T2 with the Tactical Doctrine that really helps. It’s sets things up for an intersecting T3. im not saying it’s the best...but for what I own it’s cool and does have some teeth. So far I’d say the worst part of it is me.... it’s easy to misuse but really packs a punch if you can steer your opponent properly. I am realizing though I need more Assault weapons. The need to have some firepower while advancing units is a tough problem. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/362793-best-use-of-encirclement/#findComment-5499558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 What does debarkation do? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/362793-best-use-of-encirclement/#findComment-5499800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted April 1, 2020 Author Share Posted April 1, 2020 It's a 1 CP strat that lets you disembark any/all contents of a TRANSPORT after it has moved. So in my case the Repulsor comes in, and Khan, 3 Aggressors, and Apothecary pile out. It would be 4 Aggressors, but I only own 3 right now. :) BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/362793-best-use-of-encirclement/#findComment-5499918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Here’s the video batrep featuring Nick Natavanti playing his White Scars... https://youtu.be/kNtwWLUa4K8 I wish Ultramarines had the debarkation strat. Prot 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/362793-best-use-of-encirclement/#findComment-5499958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted April 1, 2020 Author Share Posted April 1, 2020 Here’s the video batrep featuring Nick Natavanti playing his White Scars... https://youtu.be/kNtwWLUa4K8 I wish Ultramarines had the debarkation strat. I'll definitely take a look at that later. I'm about to have a game shortly.... I will say this is why I used Impulsors so much with my Ultramarines. The mechanism is great for hiding high value infantry, and getting full use out of them after a move. The Encirclement is icing on the cake for anyone that wants to use a Repulsor imho. Just because you know you'll get to use it... going first or second. SanguinaryGuardsman 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/362793-best-use-of-encirclement/#findComment-5499962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 I’d love to have an Impulsor for my Ultramarines Hellblasters but sadly can’t shoe horn it in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/362793-best-use-of-encirclement/#findComment-5500027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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