Availability of AT Peripherals

[SkimaskMohawk]

So recently, my buddy and I have taken the plunge on Adeptus Titanicus thanks to the starting kit. We bought all the expansion books, have filled out our selection of Titans to a reaver and two warhounds, got a bunch of knights for household support and even made some orders from vanguard miniatures for that "epic" look.

 

But there's been a worrying trend. We'd be looking at the rules and 1d4chan to try and digest the mechanics as fast as possible and settle on a legio for my buddy, and we come across Titans of Legend Listed. They seem cool, like special character titans, but they're nowhere in our rules. I realize they're all command terminals, but GWs page doesn't list them; the only trace I can find is now-unavailabe eBay listings and some very blurry screenshots of a handful. Disappointment ensues, but I guess they were too niche.

 

Fast forward to today; I'm ordering some hobby supplies and have decided I will finally master (as in learn) the art of applying decals, so micro sol and set are in the cart. Inspiration hits me; there's fureans transfers on the starter kit sheet, surely there must be a full scale sheet, Heresy style. Well I'm right....but also wrong. They too simply no longer exist as a product on GWs site or on eBay.

 

I've gotten this feeling that AT is extremely low on the totem pole in terms of production. I remember close to release there was problems with the reaver weapon cards being very hard to find. Do these types of things tend to make their way back after a print run, or are they gone for good? I've never experienced GW cutting product for a growing game system so am a little confused.

[Sherrypie]

Some do, decal sheets as an example come and go as GW gets them. Their website just lists things out of print without telling you that actually, we are going to get more at some point. AT is also wildly succesful beyond GW's expected demand, which means those things last on the shelves about one millisecond at a time.

 

Titans of Legend on the other hand seem to have been a one off thing as far as we know, though none of them are essential so while a bit of a bummer it's nothing major.

[Dark Bjoern]

Titan of Legends, which one are you looking for? Traitor or Loyal?

[noigrim]

Specialist games tend to peter out after some time with a group of irreductibles playing on afterwards.

The only games with "future" are 40k and AoS but they are always the same and I find them a tad boring

[SkimaskMohawk]

Titan of Legends, which one are you looking for? Traitor or Loyal?

 

It'd be Traitor. I'm playing Fureans and my buddy landed on Tempestus

 

Specialist games tend to peter out after some time with a group of irreductibles playing on afterwards.

The only games with "future" are 40k and AoS but they are always the same and I find them a tad boring

 

Well that was true back in the day, but the modern version is a bit different. Bloodbowl and Necromunda get constant model support (though I can't comment on the permanence of those releases); Bloodbowl just got a new model previewed the other weekend.

[noigrim]

When you last played a bb league?

My guess would be two years ago

[SkimaskMohawk]

When you last played a bb league?

My guess would be two years ago

I think we're saying two different things.

 

You're saying player interest declines far more sharply compared to the 2 big games.

 

I'm saying the games are still getting model and rule support even up to this point, which is why I find it odd that AT is getting content pulled.

[Fajita Fan]

Cardboard doesn't have specific tooling, they order X number, maaaaaybe reprint Y number if there's massive demand, but we can't always expect further reprints of items they may not sell out of.  There's little reason for them to keep producing those terminals compared to the plastic sprues after the sunk of cost of printing the molds.  If it was successful we may see more character titan terminals but I think we should all be aware that those packs may not have even the cursory playtesting and balancing that we credit GW/FW with having in the best case scenario.  I figured I'd get the rules online if I was reeeeally interested in playing one of them but I'm really not and I couldn't justify the cost of them. 

[Mandragola]

AT suffers from being made by FW, who are kind of amateurs at providing stuff it seems. Everything sells out. Sometimes it comes back. For now my approach is to always order stuff on preorder if I want it.

 

The transfer sheets are not essential. Actually I don’t think all of them are especially good. I’ve got Astorum and Mortis sheets and both feature designs that don’t appear anywhere in the books. And the knight transfers give you useless household icons that are too big to fit anywhere on a knight.

 

For transfers the easy option is to go with one of the five legios that you get sheets for in the box. They actually do the job pretty well. Gryphonicus, Astorum, Mortis and Fureans are all decent Legios. Atarus not so much, but it looks cool.

 

There’s an app called titandatasheets. It has the titans of legend in.

[schoon]

Both GW and FW suffer from the production shell shock of the 90s and '00s where many companies overbought in huge quantities and were then stuck with hundreds or thousands of "worthless" items. The printing industry at the time could not do the small runs common today.

 

So, they now print to expected demand, even a little under demand, to avoid having inventory after about 30-90 days post release, as that's when they have to pay for it all.

 

Both the initial and continuing popularity of AT18 has continued to take them by surprise. They keep expecting it to taper off, and are being super cautious about it.

 

Sadly, that means that the "fiddly bit add-ons" are in short supply.

[SkimaskMohawk]

AT suffers from being made by FW, who are kind of amateurs at providing stuff it seems. Everything sells out. Sometimes it comes back. For now my approach is to always order stuff on preorder if I want it.

 

The transfer sheets are not essential. Actually I don’t think all of them are especially good. I’ve got Astorum and Mortis sheets and both feature designs that don’t appear anywhere in the books. And the knight transfers give you useless household icons that are too big to fit anywhere on a knight.

 

For transfers the easy option is to go with one of the five legios that you get sheets for in the box. They actually do the job pretty well. Gryphonicus, Astorum, Mortis and Fureans are all decent Legios. Atarus not so much, but it looks cool.

 

There’s an app called titandatasheets. It has the titans of legend in.

Glad to know about the app.

 

I understand the transfers aren't essential, it just sucks when I was looking forward to throwing down some of the coloured ones on my Fureans and now I'm stuck with a total of 4 different designs in black.

 

 

About the terminals, I totally get it that they have to order them. But why not make a digital file and sell it for 5$ or so? I just hate rules being inaccessible yet still valid.

 

Edit: well that app is only for Apple devices...

Edited April 14, 2020 by SkimaskMohawk

[Noserenda]

Well they have made all but the latest Datasheets available online, i suspect we may see the others someday once they get around to it. A bit of googling brought up all the Titans of legend posted online in various places when i was looking them over if i ever field the Fierans one ill be using a custom sheet anyway as the standard design isnt ideal (Very pretty ofc ;) ). 

Folks have covered FW (And GWs) production issues with outside product, though there are vaguely persistent rumours of them bringing card production in house in some capacity, make of that what you will :) 

[Marshal Loss]

Yeah look this stuff can be really annoying. No point denying it. I think it is due in part to FW's unique disorderliness and a constant fear, despite all evidence to the contrary, that they will lose money on peripheral products. Don't let it dissuade you though, as Fureans are one of the most popular Legios and might get a reprint.

[Fajita Fan]

Could just use a micron pen to draw the designs, if I had done Fureans I'd block out the flames with one anyway.

[SkimaskMohawk]

@nosrenda I didn't realize the command terminals were outsourced, it explains a lot. The only full picture of the Fureans legend titan that I can find is pretty blurry unfortunately, can barely make out it's armour values, can't read it's special rule, etc...doesn't feel right using a low quality picture like that and a summary on 1d4chan as the basis for rules.

 

@Marshall loss oh it's not a deal breaker, I've already painted up a warhound. Just gotta clear some commission stuff before I can paint any further models.

 

@fajita fan it's things like the highly detailed eye-in-cog and other variations that are kind of hard to execute; I freehanded my flames on my painted warhound.

[General Zodd]

I have the full set, happy to take photos and post here, but I thought I should wait until one of the Moderati have confirmed that doesn’t break any posting rules! Could anyone confirm?

[Sandlemad]

@Marshall loss oh it's not a deal breaker, I've already painted up a warhound. Just gotta clear some commission stuff before I can paint any further models.

 

@fajita fan it's things like the highly detailed eye-in-cog and other variations that are kind of hard to execute; I freehanded my flames on my painted warhound.

 

 

Not that it precisely solves the problem but you could try some of the Fureans decals made on this very forum: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/files/file/454-legio-fureans-ik-scale/

 

They're not scaled to AT but they're pretty slick and ought to solve at least some of your heraldic problems. You may find it easiest to crack the PDF open in Inkscape or a similar vector editor, make whatever size changes are needed, then print them off on transfer paper. I did that - added gradients, personalised kill markings, etc - and they worked decently.

[SkimaskMohawk]

@general zodd I'd hope it's alright since you literally can't buy them any more. Maybe you'd have to keep it to PMs so it's not so public though?

 

@sandlemad those are pretty slick, I'll definitely give them a look and try to rescale in Photoshop.

[DuskRaider]

Nothing is available right now. Games Workshop is effectively closed. Wait until they re-open to see what is restocked.

[schoon]

 

Edit: well that app is only for Apple devices...

 

 

The app writer is on Facebook - he says an Android version is on the way.

[Gryphonicus Walks]

Does anybody know how you can get a message to the designer of a mistake I have found?

[Noserenda]

Does anybody know how you can get a message to the designer of a mistake I have found?

Depends what the mistake is on but probably the FAQ email?

[Gryphonicus Walks]

Apologies I should of been clearer. The designer of the titan data sheet app.

[I_Am_IronSam]

Is there a clear and full list of the available strategems? I don't have the cards and don't want to have to run around with 4 books and I heard that the knight pack has exclusive content..? 

Though I guess there are now more strategems without cards from the new book...?

[Noserenda]

I just tend to make a note of the stratagems im using on my armylist tbh, i think Goonhammer or D4chan have done complete reviews/lists of the stratagems though. Afaik every one that was in a card pack has been printed in a book but not visa versa.