appiah4 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Common sense says black yet all modern images On GW site are black.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363362-scout-sergeant-red-or-black-shoulders/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) Since both common sense and GW's webshop images are in accordance... black? Edit: more seriously, Sergeant shoulder pads for Blood Angels have been black since at least 5th Edition. That said, whatever you prefer should be your go-to choice. I personally think black shoulder pads make Sergeants stand out so that would be my choice but YMMV. :) Edited April 21, 2020 by Dosjetka Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363362-scout-sergeant-red-or-black-shoulders/#findComment-5510146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
t-dog1996 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 I think he meant that modern images on GW site are red. I may be wrong here but I think Scout Sergeant shoulder pads should be red as I don't think they employ the same heraldry as ordinary squads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363362-scout-sergeant-red-or-black-shoulders/#findComment-5510152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 I'd assumed so, hence my stealth edit with a more serious (and helpful) reply. :) Quickly checked the GW webshop but can't seem to find any pictures of Scouts painted as Blood Angels specifically. Am I going mad? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363362-scout-sergeant-red-or-black-shoulders/#findComment-5510154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 I don't see a reason for why Scouts shouldn't follow the regular Blood Angels heraldry. Can't find anything about it in the Codex either. I wouldn't put too much weight on the pictures in the webshop though. The 'Eavy Metal team also paints Terminator helmets in red despite Veterans wearing golden helmets simply because that's how it has always been done (I guess). Dosjetka 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363362-scout-sergeant-red-or-black-shoulders/#findComment-5510161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
appiah4 Posted April 21, 2020 Author Share Posted April 21, 2020 Since both common sense and GW's webshop images are in accordance... black? Edit: more seriously, Sergeant shoulder pads for Blood Angels have been black since at least 5th Edition. That said, whatever you prefer should be your go-to choice. I personally think black shoulder pads make Sergeants stand out so that would be my choice but YMMV. Is that so? (Emphasis mine) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363362-scout-sergeant-red-or-black-shoulders/#findComment-5510176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Common sense says black yet all modern images On GW site are black.. I was referring to what was most likely a mistake in your first post. :) Thank you for the picture of Blood Angels Scouts, I couldn't find one when I had a look earlier. And despite this, my earlier point still stands. :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363362-scout-sergeant-red-or-black-shoulders/#findComment-5510187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 I've done all mine black. I go with my own scheme over GW's, including standard squad markings over the scout company badge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363362-scout-sergeant-red-or-black-shoulders/#findComment-5510197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 I painted mine red but I cannot even remember why now. If in doubt, always remember the first rule of modelling. #1 They are your models so paint them how you like! Dosjetka and Jolemai 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363362-scout-sergeant-red-or-black-shoulders/#findComment-5510216 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoridon Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 I did mine the usual black with yellow chapter symbol. Easier to spot the Sergeant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363362-scout-sergeant-red-or-black-shoulders/#findComment-5510219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majkhel Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) I'm doing both - meaning I do one shoulder pad black and one red as in my head, among neophytes ranks are not permanent. And for some reason I didn't wanted to assign a fully-fledged marine to act as a proper sergeant. But I otherwise believe these should be black. Edited April 21, 2020 by Majkhel SnorriSnorrison 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363362-scout-sergeant-red-or-black-shoulders/#findComment-5510332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
appiah4 Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 OK then.. I had started out with red but this thread made me decide to go with black instead, and it looks good so far. Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363362-scout-sergeant-red-or-black-shoulders/#findComment-5510563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) I've never seen any official depiction of scout sergeants with black shoulder pads. But interesting problem for sure. Like, what colours are the pads of 5th and 9th companies sergeants? Edited April 22, 2020 by Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363362-scout-sergeant-red-or-black-shoulders/#findComment-5510604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majkhel Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) Black as well. Codex says: black shoulder pads, yellow (can also be gold as it's the same heraldic colour) chapter insignia on the left one and on the right one - company markings. Having the need to tackle this as well as I build the 5th Company, I'm doing their company marking with a red trim. Edited April 22, 2020 by Majkhel Venerable Jazzman 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363362-scout-sergeant-red-or-black-shoulders/#findComment-5510608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 yellow (can also be gold as it's the same heraldic colour) Perhaps in the real world in the past, however Blood Angels heraldry and modern real world heraldry treat them as two different things. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363362-scout-sergeant-red-or-black-shoulders/#findComment-5510615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majkhel Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Right, forgot about the helmets colours implications - yellow and gold do mean different things in the codex :/ Also just re-checked and there is nothing written in the current codex about the colour of the sergeant's Alatus Cadere on the left shoulder pad. But damn me if I start painting the red outline for a black Chapter badge on the black shoulder pad. Not to mention that I would need to remove the already applied decals or paint them over to place new ones. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363362-scout-sergeant-red-or-black-shoulders/#findComment-5510622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 In the BA codex. Unsure if the modern SM codex says, but in the initial 4th ed SM codex when the UM 2nd co went from yellow to gold, they gave all the company coours in both flat and metallic options, which was cool. Again, doesn't apply to BA. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363362-scout-sergeant-red-or-black-shoulders/#findComment-5511139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Closet Skeleton Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Sergeant shoulder pads are black with red trim because they're the reverse of the original red pad with black trim, they just for some reason kept the trim when the general colour scheme was simplified to remove the trim. Sergeant pads don't have trim, so that might be why they don't change colour. I don't see a reason for why Scouts shouldn't follow the regular Blood Angels heraldry. Can't find anything about it in the Codex either. I wouldn't put too much weight on the pictures in the webshop though. The 'Eavy Metal team also paints Terminator helmets in red despite Veterans wearing golden helmets simply because that's how it has always been done (I guess). Ultramarines have the terminator and power armoured veterans follow the same helmet scheme but BA aren't the only ones that don't. Black Templars have white helmets on sword brethren terminators but not on power armoured sword brethren. In the BA codex. Unsure if the modern SM codex says, but in the initial 4th ed SM codex when the UM 2nd co went from yellow to gold, they gave all the company coours in both flat and metallic options, which was cool. Again, doesn't apply to BA. Except it does, the 5th ed codex at least has the same colours for the BA battle companies with the exeption of the 3rd being white/silver instead of red/sanguinite. The BA reserve companies duplicate colours just with extra blood drops but still have the same metalic colour names as the Ultramarines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363362-scout-sergeant-red-or-black-shoulders/#findComment-5511159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Sergeant shoulder pads are black with red trim because they're the reverse of the original red pad with black trim, they just for some reason kept the trim when the general colour scheme was simplified to remove the trim. Black rims on the shoulder pads never went away on my Blood Angels. My intercessors are now rocking them in 8th (and goblin green bases). Venerable Jazzman, Jolemai and Majkhel 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363362-scout-sergeant-red-or-black-shoulders/#findComment-5511188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
appiah4 Posted April 23, 2020 Author Share Posted April 23, 2020 Needs some green flock for good measure Karhedron and Jolemai 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363362-scout-sergeant-red-or-black-shoulders/#findComment-5511233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Needs some green flock for good measure Your taste is impeccable sir. I have indeed flocked those bases since the photo was taken. Venerable Jazzman and Jolemai 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363362-scout-sergeant-red-or-black-shoulders/#findComment-5511262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Guys, it's before the watershed :blush: Karhedron and Leonaides 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363362-scout-sergeant-red-or-black-shoulders/#findComment-5511279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
appiah4 Posted April 23, 2020 Author Share Posted April 23, 2020 Needs some green flock for good measure Your taste is impeccable sir. I have indeed flocked those bases since the photo was taken. Pics or it didn't happen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363362-scout-sergeant-red-or-black-shoulders/#findComment-5511356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Pics or it didn't happen. I will see if I can get them down from the loft tomorrow. :D Leonaides 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363362-scout-sergeant-red-or-black-shoulders/#findComment-5511486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 I do like a good flocked goblin green base... Karhedron and Jolemai 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363362-scout-sergeant-red-or-black-shoulders/#findComment-5511528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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