How to: Renegade Primaris

[No Foes Remain]

So with the... controversial short story on renegade Primaris I wondered how they could be done properly. Now where better to do that than here, so how should have Primaris become renegade?

 

The approach that I will be taking is an independent renegade force will attack a small Torchbearer fleet, board then eventually beat back the Custodes and Primaris before taking the gene-seed and schematics for themselves. However with the lack of knowledge on how to make the Primaris and their wargear they take a while to work it all out (similar to how the Emperor's Spears eventually made their own Primaris [having the tech but not the knowledge]. Meaning they have Primaris but in small numbers.

 

 

What other ways or means could Renegade Primaris come about?

 

 

 

 

Btw, please no debating the short story, there is a thread in the BL sub-forum which discusses this.

[Ishagu]

The story didn't give us Renegade Primaris, it gave us bad writing for Custodes and nonsense.

 

How could they be done on the tabletop? Same way you would approach a regular Astartes renegade.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

There’s a difference between renegade and traitor... sometimes it’s a fairly narrow line but there’s still a difference.

[CCE1981]

Traitor - fallen to Chaos

Renegade - separated from Imperium

 

A Chapter or two or three can’t get over how the Imperium has turned, take their fleets and resources and leave the hypocrisy that is the Imperium protecting a cluster of “ insignificant” worlds from everyone else.

[Aurica]

Perhaps a slow burn?   The Primaris marines grows more and more disillusioned with the Imperium as a whole.   As sensible marines, they enact a plan that would eventually grant them greater autonomy and independence from the Imperium.   Like obtaining their own supply chain, resources, means to create new Primaris and equipment.   Which would require them making alliances with certain factions in the Imperium.

[Lucerne]

If the Alpha Legion doesn't already have Primaris technology in hand, then they've lost their touch.

 

Similarly, have Primaris inducted from earlier eras grow tired of the Imperium of M41 (seriously, initiates from the early Imperium should probably want to burn the whole miserable mess down after being woken up) and go renegade.

 

Have Primaris grow tired of mistreatment from their "lesser" kin and gun them down after one abuse of authority too many.

 

Have Primaris succumb to the temptation of the Warp or have their dedication fall short when "lost" behind enemy lines and left to the mercies of Warp worshippers.

 

Have them tempted by ideologies such as the Greater Good due to finding the Imperium lacking and unworthy of their effort.

 

Have Nurgle get to them, or be corrupted by staring too long into an abyss in an Indomitus crusade battle gone badly wrong.

 

There are a thousand and one ways for Space Marines to fall to Chaos or turn their coats, and the idea Primaris are somehow exempt should be wishful thinking by Cawl.

Edited April 30, 2020 by Lucerne

[Dracos]

Table top wise it would be good if they were as infallible as Cawl claims. Otherwise we just roll the clock back 30 years and Chaos becomes Primaris with Spikes. It's better for the game to keep the Astartes lines separate, and the Primaris are that line.

[N1SB]

 

What other ways or means could Renegade Primaris come about?

 

 

Brother, I know this isn't what you're looking for, but you inspired me to consider Primaris Marines that became Chaos Possessed against their will.  So the Primaris never turned Renegade or Traitor, but they ended up corrupted by Chaos due to no fault of their own.  I'm thinking Alpha Legion tampering with the Torchbearer stuff somehow like they did with the Raven Guard or something.

 

No idea if I would even go ahead with it, but your question lead me to this idea, and I wanted to say thanks.

[Spinsanity]

 

 

 

What other ways or means could Renegade Primaris come about?

 

Brother, I know this isn't what you're looking for, but you inspired me to consider Primaris Marines that became Chaos Possessed against their will. So the Primaris never turned Renegade or Traitor, but they ended up corrupted by Chaos due to no fault of their own. I'm thinking Alpha Legion tampering with the Torchbearer stuff somehow like they did with the Raven Guard or something.

 

No idea if I would even go ahead with it, but your question lead me to this idea, and I wanted to say thanks.

Hmm, maybe another iteration of the Scions of Epiphany, thecTzeench warband made of failed Exorcist aspirants that were rounded up by a fallen Ministorum cardinal the Black Dragons face in Death of Antagonis? Edited May 2, 2020 by Spinsanity

[No Foes Remain]

 

 

What other ways or means could Renegade Primaris come about?

 

 

Brother, I know this isn't what you're looking for, but you inspired me to consider Primaris Marines that became Chaos Possessed against their will.  So the Primaris never turned Renegade or Traitor, but they ended up corrupted by Chaos due to no fault of their own.  I'm thinking Alpha Legion tampering with the Torchbearer stuff somehow like they did with the Raven Guard or something.

 

No idea if I would even go ahead with it, but your question lead me to this idea, and I wanted to say thanks.

 

I could see the Word Bearers or the Alpha Legion would be evil enough to force a daemon into a Primaris, could lead to a cool way to model some greater possessed and have a reason for a master of possession to be near them.

[thewarriorhunter]

I'm making a custom chapter that is not full on renegade but they're also not staunch Imperialists. They're mostly Primaris but have some Firstborn in them because I have the models.

 

Basics of my lore that is still being filled in:

 

Raven Guard successors who sometime in the past (Msomething?) were sent off the books to carry on their own missions. Over time they developed into their own chapter and a lot of their history has been lost (mostly through the death of the Raven Guard Chapter Master against the Tau, since he was one of the only ones that new of the mission).

 

Fast forward in time and the Spectral Sicarii (chapter name) have become disenfranchised with the Imperium, especially the ecclisarchy/inquisition. They hold other Space Marines in high regard and are loyal to their Chapter first, brother Astartes second. They come across a stranded Torchbearer fleet that still has signs of life. After boarding they discover Grayshields who have been stranded for decades with no answers to distress calls. The Sicarii aide them and that's how I got Primaris in my army. The Primaris are just as disgruntled with their abandonment and hate what the Imperium has become from what they remembered, so they're happy to join with the Sicarii to prosecute the war against Chaos. They see the corruption of the Imperium for what it is, but also recognize that Chaos exists and they do their best to fight against it.

[Lucerne]

Table top wise it would be good if they were as infallible as Cawl claims. Otherwise we just roll the clock back 30 years and Chaos becomes Primaris with Spikes. It's better for the game to keep the Astartes lines separate, and the Primaris are that line.

God no, "infallible" is obnoxious enough when it's bananas or grey knights. Primaris are mass produced mooks- they don't get that luxury.

 

And frankly Primaris with spikes might be the only way GW bothers to update Chaos every so often.

[Dracos]

 

Table top wise it would be good if they were as infallible as Cawl claims. Otherwise we just roll the clock back 30 years and Chaos becomes Primaris with Spikes. It's better for the game to keep the Astartes lines separate, and the Primaris are that line.

God no, "infallible" is obnoxious enough when it's bananas or grey knights. Primaris are mass produced mooks- they don't get that luxury.

 

And frankly Primaris with spikes might be the only way GW bothers to update Chaos every so often.

 

 

Nah, the banana heads are already the bad guys. Letting the Emperor's vision be perverted into a cult makes them mucho infallible, and the Grey Knights are an institution of the Inquisition, so I'm sure they're as transparent about falling to Chaos as some countries are about admitting falling prey to a pandemic flu virus . . . . but hey, everyone's allowed to be wrong about their opinion ;) 

 

 

PS: Sorry but after 30 years of watching Chaos get Space Marines + [insert bonus] I'm likely to drop the game again if they can't come up with something better than a tired  storyline of "Chaos made me do it." If they want a renegade Chapter of Primaris then right a good story and do the same separately for the weak willed Brothers of the Firstborn.

[Ishagu]

I expect Chaos Primaris in the lore, the occasional company or individual will fall of course.

 

With that in mind, I NEVER want to see Chaos Primaris as an actual model line. Why? Over the years the Chaos Astartes have gradually become more and more distinctive from the loyalist, in terms of unique look and unique units. Chaos now has unique vehicles, infantry models, monsters, etc.

 

If you go back in time the Chaos Marines were literally spiky loyalists outside of a few named characters. I don't want mirror factions like this, keep the ranges as distinct as possible.

Edited May 4, 2020 by Ishagu

[Doghouse]

I don't think it'd be too difficult to have a Primaris chapter go renegade. It's pretty much just a matter of time which 40k has in abundence and like they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

 

Like Aurica said the slow burn is probably the best way to go. Perhaps the Primaris were not welcomed by the first born of the chapter and there is conflict brewing there. Maybe if they're pure greyshield primaris then they are having problems accustomising to the hellish reality of the 40k universe.

I think the best of intentions is the best way to go, acting how they see in the interests of humanity, becoming wrapped up in their own superiority or just becoming plain arrogant.

 

It doesn't always have to be instantly turning to chaos type thing, Badab War is a prime example and if they are more resistant to the temptations having them fit nicely into the renegades catagory makes them a bit more interesting.