Your top three kits in need of an update

[Scribe]

 

 

 

 

Tbf there was that whole era of basic plastic troops that havent aged well to various degrees that could really benefit for a revamp. Of course GW isnt that into revamping old kits these days, i guess based on the Success of Primaris/AoS but some of these units are still absolutely core.

Outside of loyalist marines they have been revamping kits. Chaos Marines got some new kits but they also got new Sorcerer, Havocs, Terminators, CSM. Eldar got revamped Howling Banshees and Incubi. Daemons got a few revamped kits also. So, they definitely still do it!

I should be more specific, they arent replacing _Plastic_ kits generally, all of those examples were metal/finecast (Or in other cases monopose/easy build for starters etc) except the terminators, which are a bit of a mystery to be tbh as they really added nothing much compared to the original plastic kit, id thought they might take advantage of Abbadons rescaled terminator armour but nope, basically the same as the last kit except for the combi weapons, very odd.

I actually thought they must have been sitting on those terminators for years. They are closer to the plastic terminator lord, than anything recent.

[Robbienw]

 

 

 

 

 

Tbf there was that whole era of basic plastic troops that havent aged well to various degrees that could really benefit for a revamp. Of course GW isnt that into revamping old kits these days, i guess based on the Success of Primaris/AoS but some of these units are still absolutely core.

Outside of loyalist marines they have been revamping kits. Chaos Marines got some new kits but they also got new Sorcerer, Havocs, Terminators, CSM. Eldar got revamped Howling Banshees and Incubi. Daemons got a few revamped kits also. So, they definitely still do it!

I should be more specific, they arent replacing _Plastic_ kits generally, all of those examples were metal/finecast (Or in other cases monopose/easy build for starters etc) except the terminators, which are a bit of a mystery to be tbh as they really added nothing much compared to the original plastic kit, id thought they might take advantage of Abbadons rescaled terminator armour but nope, basically the same as the last kit except for the combi weapons, very odd.

I actually thought they must have been sitting on those terminators for years. They are closer to the plastic terminator lord, than anything recent.

Nope, they were designed by Israel Gonzalez, he only joined the studio from forgeworld in 2016, and he said on his Instagram that he designed them at the same time as the rest of the new CSM range was being done. The terminator lord came out in 2008!

 

GW still replace older plastic kits, they just do more new stuff currently. They replaced a lot of old core infantry kits with new digital designed versions around 2010 to 2015, so there is comparatively less of them requiring updates at this point.

Edited May 7, 2020 by Robbienw

[Noserenda]

The CSMs were recently redone to go in a starter box/monopose stylee, i dont think they redid many of the old core kits for 40k in that period, which is still a while ago, as the core troop boxes for most races are still from the original "regiments" lines, Guard,Orks, Eldar, Berserkers, Necrons, Tyranids... A few got recut or rebased but no substantial changes outside of Tau, the huge Dark Eldar revamp and the various Marines.

Oh and obviously the armies that didnt exist back then :D 

Its a big change too, when i was building my corsairs i was astounded by the difference between the ancient Guardian sprues and the modern Wyches in efficiency and variety. It would definitely be awesome to get them updated but revamping old core kits is apparently the least profitable thing as so many folks just dont re-buy and new players would probably tolerate the old cores whilst buying new plastic elites/specialists or entirely new creations.

Ill be honest my head is still spinning about those Chaos Terminators though, they seriously shake up what i was told and thought id witnessed... But then again they weirdly prove my point as i dug out and/or scavenged a load of old Metal Chaos terminators and built an army enthused by the Chaos revamp but didnt actually buy anything new aside from Valhallan blizzard for basing.

[Robbienw]

In terms of purely plastic ones, Tyranid Warriors (they weren’t just recut, they were redone with new parts), Tau Fire Warriors, Tau Crisis Battlesuits, Dark Eldar Warriors, SM Tactical squad, SM Assault kit, SM Devastator kits. But there were many many more core kits that were metal/finecast or plastic with metal/finecast added parts redone into full plastic in that time. Dozens of them.

 

Several all plastic core vehicles were redone as well, like the Leman Russ and Chimera, and the Dark Eldar skimmer.

Edited May 7, 2020 by Robbienw

[Noserenda]

Sure if you broaden "core" to mean literally everything and replacing plastic with any other material you get a lot more results ;) 

I was actually thinking of Gaunts but the Tyranid warrior is a good spot, i hadnt noticed they snuck in a couple of extra options. While i did mention the Dark Eldar i think its a bit disingenuous to include them as a revamp tbh as they completely revised the entire model range, more like the Gene cults or Mechanicus than an iteration like Space Marine kits.

[Robbienw]

It’s not disingenuous; they are still a direct replacement regardless of stylistic changes.

[Tyriks]

CSM didn't just get the monopose option from Shadowspear, they got a full multipart kit at the same time as the Terminators.  

[Haywire]

1. Dark Reapers

 

 

2. Fire Dragons

 

 

 

 

 

3. The rest of the Eldar Aspect Warriors.

[sarabando]

necron warriors - need a more upright pose, and options

zerkers - need to keep the aesthetic and motion, keep the bunny ears style dont use the AOS style ones. 

terminators - the normal and assault termi kit is garbage compared to the BA/SW/DA kits.

[Panzer]

T'au Vespid badly need an update as well. Also Kroot Hounds and Krootox. I don't think GW really cares about T'au auxilliary races anymore unfortunately.

[Xenith]

Eldar guardians and necrons still look ok.

 

Eldar falcon and vyper could do with a retooling, they're both in action since like 1995, half a decade before berserkers.

 

Berserkers *were* fine until the csm rescaling.

 

A recut to make more space on the sprue would be great for guardians and orks.

[Magos Takatus]

T'au Vespid badly need an update as well. Also Kroot Hounds and Krootox. I don't think GW really cares about T'au auxilliary races anymore unfortunately.

I agree. The head sculpts look off and the wings are too chunky. Their concept art was amazing but the models never quite looked right in my opinion. To me the concept art looked less "cone-headed".

Edited May 8, 2020 by Magos Takatus

[Vermintide]

Necrons are mostly fine except the stuff that's still finecast, I don't think there's much you can do to improve on stuff like warriors anyway (they're meant to be hunched!) They have a couple of dodgy joins (immortal shoulders anyone) but nothing that needs a total re-work. How long ago did they get the update to all the Canoptek stuff?

 

Berzerkers definitely need an update. I have a friend I feel like I might even be able to tempt back into the hobby if there were some shiny new Berzerkers to show him. And I don't think anyone can dispute a lot of Eldar stuff is showing its age.

[Lord Raven 19]

Berzerkers

Catachans/ upgrade kit for various regiments that fits cadians

Aspect warriors

[Iron Lord]

1) (And never likely to happen) Space Marine Scouts. The plastic sculpts are so ugly (though maybe that's intentional given they're not human nor in their power armour so the proportions are deliberately weird). They're so bad though that I'm buying up metal old school Scouts and looking at using Necromunda Enforcers as a base...

I'd love to see a generic Scout kit,  that can be used to make  regular, Wolf, and Death Watch Scouts (according to FFG's Deathwatch books, Deathwatch do deploy in Carapace Armour, with sniper rifles, when the  situation calls for it).

[ThePenitentOne]

My goal is to live long enough to see Finecast become a distant memory.

 

So I say until the demise of Finecast, only Finecast gets redone. Sorry Cadians, Catachans and Berzerkers- you're old and need an upgrade, but you're already plastic.

 

This means for my three choices, I'll jump on Aspect Warriors too, but my priorities are different:

 

1. Striking Scorpions- with just this change, all 3 Aspects that are playable in Kill Team (Dire Avengers, Banshees and Scorpions) would have plastic.

2. Warp Spiders- out of all the Aspects, they need multi-part posable kits more than anyone; side note- they should also have a Phoenix Lord

3. Dark Reapers

[Guest Triszin]

Lictors/death leapers

 

Vespid

 

Imperial gaurd infantry

[Arendious]

I'd love to see a Gue'vesa kit, ala the Brood Brothers box.

 

Regular Guard as well. It's amazing to remember there was a time the Guard range had multiple 'full' lines in metal.

 

Squats

[Lord_Caerolion]

I'd have to say Catachans, Berzerkers, and the Aspect that has truly been left behind, the Shining Spears.

 

The Catachan infantry box just looks embarrassing compared to the command squad.

[Closet Skeleton]

 

I should be more specific, they arent replacing _Plastic_ kits generally, all of those examples were metal/finecast (Or in other cases monopose/easy build for starters etc) except the terminators, which are a bit of a mystery to be tbh as they really added nothing much compared to the original plastic kit, id thought they might take advantage of Abbadons rescaled terminator armour but nope, basically the same as the last kit except for the combi weapons, very odd.

I actually thought they must have been sitting on those terminators for years. They are closer to the plastic terminator lord, than anything recent.

 

 

The new chaos terminators are a clear follow on from the BA assault terminators which was the most recent indomitus terminator kit before them (after the Death Wing ones).

 

They're really not that similar to the plastic terminator lord, the heads are way smaller, the weapons are less cartoonish. Definitely a replacement/update over a revamp.

 

Abaddon was designed by someone else co-currently, that's why they don't share any design. Same reason why the Blightlord terminators don't have the same anatomy as deathshroud ones.

[NTaW]

No more plastic rods for Necrons. That means Warriors, Destroyers (+Heavy variant), and the Monolith redone. Side benefit to this is that Scarabs will be redone since they only come in the Warrior box.

 

Dang, that's three kits already. Everything more than 10 years old then?

Edited May 11, 2020 by NTaW

[kombatwombat]

Anybody who’s suffered the hate crime that is building Finecast Necron Destroyers will tell you that they take out all 3 places.

[Lexington]

I'm kinda surprised to see so many people here picking Ork Boyz. Honestly, that set holds up, kinda hope it never gets redone.

[toaae]

I'm kinda surprised to see so many people here picking Ork Boyz. Honestly, that set holds up, kinda hope it never gets redone.

 

Preach it, brother. The Boyz kit is exceptional in how it doesn't feel like it's as old as it is. It's loaded with options and bits and could serve as the basis for all manner of units. In addition, I think the new faces used on AoS Orruks and the Orks on the new buggies are far inferior to the ones in the Boyz kit, which is one of my major concerns about updating it.

 

On topic, all my choices could be summed up as "if it's mono-build finecast, redo it", like kommandos or tankbustas. Otherwise, in the spirit of the topic, I'm going with:

 

1. Gretchin (need more sculpts!)
2. Necron Warriors
3. Space Marine Scouts

[Ahzek451]

1. necron warriors. 

Nothing wrong with a hunch, but I do love some of the more upright artwork. And I think the rods are going away anyway. And since they are included in the kit, new scarabs with varying sizes and dynamic poses with limbs. 

2. K. Berzerkers. A very old kit that needs some new details and poses. And to scale and match with the updated chaos marines.

3. Noise marines. Needs a dedicated re-do instead of add-ons to the chaos marine body. More icons and such to match with death guard, rubrics and future zerkers.