The Scorpion Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 I was wondering if the "40k" space marine jump pack is era appropriate for the Heresy. I'd be a shame if the GW kit could not be used to model assault marines so I went and did some research. Betrayal names the one with two large cylindrical jet engines "Sol" pattern, and conquest calls the one that has a a single cylindrical main thruster with lateral maneuvering jets the "Phaeton Pattern Heavy Lift Jump Pack". However, there is no mention anywhere of the "standart" 40k jump pack or it's pattern, not even in 40k lore. All there is is references to how it compares to the "less known" variants. Apparently, the one used by the Space Wolves is called Valkyris. It looks exactly the same (unlike the BA angelus-pattern, which looks like the Phaeton), but is implied to be a sub-pattern. Ryltar Thamior and mooftak 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363737-heresy-era-jump-pack-patterns/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 The JP's on the CSM raptors is associated with mk II-mk III power armour, the JP's the sang guard have are associated with mk IV armor on. I would source just the jump packs to kitbash than buy the SM assault squads. Sang guard box is a good buy, the chests and JP's, the weapons can be used for master crafted weapons and arty armor if you get rid of the blood drops. Ryltar Thamior and mooftak 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363737-heresy-era-jump-pack-patterns/#findComment-5518405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle captain corpus Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 The 40k jump pack isn't really if at all referenced I think in most of the HH literature. There's obviously nothing stopping you from using them but it probably would look very quirky! Kromlech amongst other manufacturers do some excellent "Legionnaire" 3rd party resin jump packs that are very good. I've used them before and they're nice. If it's GW parts that you want to use then as MegaVolt87 pointed out, the Sanguinary Guard versions are essentially HH patterns. Bits websites sell out of these fast too though...you may just have to grab a box of them and try and find a use for the other stuff! Let us know how you get on! :) BCC Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363737-heresy-era-jump-pack-patterns/#findComment-5518539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spagunk Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 I equipped my mk6 squad with the "modern" jump pack as it resembles the 2nd edition version the most. Ideally I'd like to get my hands on a bunch of the old metal ones for completeness but they're at a bit of a premium. This is my own idea:Mk2, Mk5: Double turbine "sol" patternMk 3: Incompatible with jump packsMk 4: Single engine, "Phaeton" patternMk 6: the "modern" jump packs. Not sure if they ever name it tbh. Gorgoff 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363737-heresy-era-jump-pack-patterns/#findComment-5521947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 I equipped my mk6 squad with the "modern" jump pack as it resembles the 2nd edition version the most.Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363737-heresy-era-jump-pack-patterns/#findComment-5521954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lansalt Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 The list should be something like this: Standard armour marks: Mk1: No jump packs Mk2: the twin turbine Sol pattern seen in HH books and the OOP FW kit, torsos with front straps. Mk3: No jump packs, or at least I don't have seen any illustration of one, nor there's a kit with the front straps for it. Mk4: The mono turbine of the FW kit and Sanguinary Guard, no front straps. Mk5: not the same as the Mk2, has a flat cover around the turbines, one "fuel tank" instead of two. No front straps. Mk6: HH era they should use the mk4/mk5, later the mk7 jump packs (siege of Terra at the earliest) Mk7: The classic with the over the shoulder rectangular air intakes and front straps (siege of Terra at the earliest) Legion specific: The NL Raptors used a twin small turbine variant with mk4 armour (no front straps) BA Dawnbreakers used a big tri-turbine mk4 variant (no front straps) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363737-heresy-era-jump-pack-patterns/#findComment-5522084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 Technically speaking, Ashen Circle of the WB are (more or less) wearing Modified Mk III and are using Jump Packs: battle captain corpus and Gederas 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363737-heresy-era-jump-pack-patterns/#findComment-5522144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkwrath121 Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 In addition to the above, Zephon in Master of Mankind wore Mk3 and a jump pack, mentioned as a twin-thruster design (so presumably same as Mk2). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363737-heresy-era-jump-pack-patterns/#findComment-5522156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvus.calvariam Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 Standard armour marks: Mk6: HH era they should use the mk4/mk5, later the mk7 jump packs (siege of Terra at the earliest) Legion specific: The NL Raptors used a twin small turbine variant with mk4 armour (no front straps) For mkvi, I'm using a mix of the plastic 40k style jump pack for line Assault Squads and the old metal Chaos Raptor packs for some mkvi Destroyers, as they share a similar design to the Dark Furies. I don't think its fair to say that the Night Raptor jump packs are Night Lord exclusive, the new generic plastic Chaos Raptors come with the same pattern, and the Raven Guard have been depicted wearing it too. As a side note, almost all of the mkiv jump pack wearing models have the straps on their shoulders instead of the front. The list should be something like this: Standard armour marks: Mk3: No jump packs, or at least I don't have seen any illustration of one, nor there's a kit with the front straps for it. As previously mentioned, the Ashen Circle are basically all wearing mkiii except for their hands. They never got round to doing a generic mkiii assault squad, but I had always held out hope that if they were made they'd have this single turbine pattern seen here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363737-heresy-era-jump-pack-patterns/#findComment-5522163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lansalt Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 (edited) Technically speaking, Ashen Circle of the WB are (more or less) wearing Modified Mk III and are using Jump Packs: Yeah, the book description it's a mess, calls it "a pattern of Mk III Maximus power armour" (!?). It has a normal MkII jump pack and looks like MkII armour with some extra armour plate in the chest and legs, but not a full MkIII variant. No external straps. I guess it's fair to call it Mk III if used as an umbrella term for all custom variants of II (until IV was issued). In addition to the above, Zephon in Master of Mankind wore Mk3 and a jump pack, mentioned as a twin-thruster design (so presumably same as Mk2). Interesting! I looked it up, MoM says Zephon wore an MkIII helmet, but I didn't find any other description of his armour. He also has a BA logo between the turbines, but only the MkV jump packs have space for it on the round "fuel tank". Being the BA member of the Crusader Host, I guess it's fair to say he wore custom/artificier armour, so MkIII by the same definition as above. For mkvi, I'm using a mix of the plastic 40k style jump pack for line Assault Squads and the old metal Chaos Raptor packs for some mkvi Destroyers, as they share a similar design to the Dark Furies. I don't think its fair to say that the Night Raptor jump packs are Night Lord exclusive, the new generic plastic Chaos Raptors come with the same pattern, and the Raven Guard have been depicted wearing it too. Well, this is where models and lore do not match, as actual "Raptors" should be all NL and not generic, even if they are in other warbands (Same for Havocs, etc). Recent traitors like the Red Corsairs or the Crimsom Slaughter should have Mk7 jump packs (and land speeders, razorbacks...). The old metal Chaos Raptors jump packs are one of several 40k models that should exist in 30k but doesn't. However, I agree with using these 30k raptor jump packs with other legions in mkiv armour, specially RG. As a side note, almost all of the mkiv jump pack wearing models have the straps on their shoulders instead of the front.Good eye, I missed it. They never got round to doing a generic mkiii assault squad, but I had always held out hope that if they were made they'd have this single turbine pattern seen here. A pre-MkIV single turbine jump pack makes some sense (even if it was a DG exclusive with mkV armour), but the illustrations of the HH visions book are in that weird place of yes-but-no canon (grav-attack tanks!) So, revised list: Standard armour marks and associated jump pack models: Mk1: No jump packs Mk2: the twin turbine Sol pattern seen in HH books and the OOP FW kit, torsos with front straps. Mk3: Usually no jump packs, but some units used Mk2 (WB Ashen Claws with mk2-3 custom armour) Mk4: The mono turbine of the FW kit and Sanguinary Guard, shoulder straps. Twin small turbine variant used by NL/RG. Mk5: Similar to Mk2 with flat covers around turbines, one "fuel tank" instead of two. No front straps. Mk6: HH era: mk4/mk5, later the mk7 jump packs (siege of Terra at the earliest) Mk7: Twin turbine with over the shoulder rectangular air intakes and front straps (siege of Terra at the earliest) Legion specific: BA Dawnbreakers: big tri-turbine mk4 variant (no front straps) NL Raptors: twin small turbine variant with mk4 armour (no front straps), maybe the variant seen in 40k metal chaos raptors. RG Furies: modified single turbine Mk4, with a big air intake added on, and wings. Edited May 16, 2020 by lansalt Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/363737-heresy-era-jump-pack-patterns/#findComment-5522248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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