Devout push

[Hymnblade]

Right, if you get into melee range, you get a fight sequence as usual, including the consolidate. That's not at end of phase though, and if you can't fight, you can't consolidate.

[Hymnblade]

Also, in any event, if you somehow get into combat range of something "at end of phase", you and they both get to fight (assuming they haven't already). This happens a lot with Honor The Chapter.

[Medjugorje]

yes. (its not easy to tell people how that stratagem works in a foreign language).

[Brother Kraskor]

Ah so it all really hinges on getting within 1" on that first move. Otherwise it is just 1CP for a 3" out of sequence move.

 

So the Canticle really doubles the effectiveness of this. But still, in terms of catching people off-guard, if they are getting within 6" or 3" of Black Templars in the first place they are probably seeking combat. And you are spending a lot of points just for those 3" extra, and the Litany may not inspire...!

Edited May 20, 2020 by Brother Kraskor

[_luca_93]

Ah so it all really hinges on getting within 1" on that first move. Otherwise it is just 1CP for a 3" out of sequence move.

 

So the Canticle really doubles the effectiveness of this. But still, in terms of catching people off-guard, if they are getting within 6" or 3" of Black Templars in the first place they are probably seeking combat. And you are spending a lot of points just for those 3" extra, and the Litany may not inspire...!

 

I don't think so, brother. With units like Impulsor/intercessor, and scout bike squad we have huge treat range. By deploying ahead i think we can reach some unit, also a screening unit could be important engage than destroy consolidate or try to remain enganged with strat.

[Brother Kraskor]

 

Ah so it all really hinges on getting within 1" on that first move. Otherwise it is just 1CP for a 3" out of sequence move.

 

So the Canticle really doubles the effectiveness of this. But still, in terms of catching people off-guard, if they are getting within 6" or 3" of Black Templars in the first place they are probably seeking combat. And you are spending a lot of points just for those 3" extra, and the Litany may not inspire...!

 

I don't think so, brother. With units like Impulsor/intercessor, and scout bike squad we have huge treat range. By deploying ahead i think we can reach some unit, also a screening unit could be important engage than destroy consolidate or try to remain enganged with strat.

 

 

 

Oh yes there's definitely things you can do to make that final 3" very achievable - like you say with an Impulsor or Scout Bikes. But unless you manage to finally nail down into within 1" with that initial pile-in, there is no further effect of the Strat - no?

[Medjugorje]

Ah so it all really hinges on getting within 1" on that first move. Otherwise it is just 1CP for a 3" out of sequence move.

 

So the Canticle really doubles the effectiveness of this. But still, in terms of catching people off-guard, if they are getting within 6" or 3" of Black Templars in the first place they are probably seeking combat. And you are spending a lot of points just for those 3" extra, and the Litany may not inspire...!

You can use the litany in more ways. Lets get into melee with one unit per devot push and the hard hitting unit (10 Terminators) charges the next foe with 7" with a reroll.

 

With Ancient Breviary its a very high chance( in addition you can reroll one of those dice per normal stratagem too if you really need it)

Edited May 20, 2020 by Medjugorje

[Brother Kraskor]

 

Ah so it all really hinges on getting within 1" on that first move. Otherwise it is just 1CP for a 3" out of sequence move.

 

So the Canticle really doubles the effectiveness of this. But still, in terms of catching people off-guard, if they are getting within 6" or 3" of Black Templars in the first place they are probably seeking combat. And you are spending a lot of points just for those 3" extra, and the Litany may not inspire...!

You can use the litany in more ways. Lets get into melee with one unit per devot push and the hard hitting unit (10 Terminators) charges the next foe with 7" with a reroll.

 

With Ancient Breviary its a very high chance( in addition you can reroll one of those dice per normal stratagem too if you really need it)

 

 

 

So what sort of situation are you thinking about here? You've got two units buffed by the Litany and one is going to charge - why not have both charge then? No need for the Push? 

[_luca_93]

 

 

 

 

Ah so it all really hinges on getting within 1" on that first move. Otherwise it is just 1CP for a 3" out of sequence move.

 

So the Canticle really doubles the effectiveness of this. But still, in terms of catching people off-guard, if they are getting within 6" or 3" of Black Templars in the first place they are probably seeking combat. And you are spending a lot of points just for those 3" extra, and the Litany may not inspire...!

You can use the litany in more ways. Lets get into melee with one unit per devot push and the hard hitting unit (10 Terminators) charges the next foe with 7" with a reroll.

 

With Ancient Breviary its a very high chance( in addition you can reroll one of those dice per normal stratagem too if you really need it)

 

So what sort of situation are you thinking about here? You've got two units buffed by the Litany and one is going to charge - why not have both charge then? No need for the Push?

Main problem of the litany, is the fact chaplain or target units must be in the. Battlefield at the start of battle round.

[Hymnblade]

 

 

Ah so it all really hinges on getting within 1" on that first move. Otherwise it is just 1CP for a 3" out of sequence move.

 

So the Canticle really doubles the effectiveness of this. But still, in terms of catching people off-guard, if they are getting within 6" or 3" of Black Templars in the first place they are probably seeking combat. And you are spending a lot of points just for those 3" extra, and the Litany may not inspire...!

You can use the litany in more ways. Lets get into melee with one unit per devot push and the hard hitting unit (10 Terminators) charges the next foe with 7" with a reroll.

 

With Ancient Breviary its a very high chance( in addition you can reroll one of those dice per normal stratagem too if you really need it)

 

 

 

So what sort of situation are you thinking about here? You've got two units buffed by the Litany and one is going to charge - why not have both charge then? No need for the Push? 

 

One unit might not be able to charge (because they advanced, fell back, or came out of an Impulsor), or maybe the unit has scary overwatch. Also, you could do this on the enemy turn as a kind of heroic intervention, or just to get into a more reliable charge range on your next turn.

[Medjugorje]

 

 

Ah so it all really hinges on getting within 1" on that first move. Otherwise it is just 1CP for a 3" out of sequence move.

 

So the Canticle really doubles the effectiveness of this. But still, in terms of catching people off-guard, if they are getting within 6" or 3" of Black Templars in the first place they are probably seeking combat. And you are spending a lot of points just for those 3" extra, and the Litany may not inspire...!

You can use the litany in more ways. Lets get into melee with one unit per devot push and the hard hitting unit (10 Terminators) charges the next foe with 7" with a reroll.

 

With Ancient Breviary its a very high chance( in addition you can reroll one of those dice per normal stratagem too if you really need it)

 

 

 

So what sort of situation are you thinking about here? You've got two units buffed by the Litany and one is going to charge - why not have both charge then? No need for the Push? 

 

sometimes the overwatch is too heavy or the unit was locked in combat before. 

Dont forget that you can go out of combat in movement phase and still lock them in combat in the fight phase after you shot them

 

Edit: what Hymnblade said.

Edited May 20, 2020 by Medjugorje

[Brother Kraskor]

 

 

 

Ah so it all really hinges on getting within 1" on that first move. Otherwise it is just 1CP for a 3" out of sequence move.

 

So the Canticle really doubles the effectiveness of this. But still, in terms of catching people off-guard, if they are getting within 6" or 3" of Black Templars in the first place they are probably seeking combat. And you are spending a lot of points just for those 3" extra, and the Litany may not inspire...!

You can use the litany in more ways. Lets get into melee with one unit per devot push and the hard hitting unit (10 Terminators) charges the next foe with 7" with a reroll.

 

With Ancient Breviary its a very high chance( in addition you can reroll one of those dice per normal stratagem too if you really need it)

 

 

 

So what sort of situation are you thinking about here? You've got two units buffed by the Litany and one is going to charge - why not have both charge then? No need for the Push? 

 

sometimes the overwatch is too heavy or the unit was locked in combat before. 

Dont forget that you can go out of combat in movement phase and still lock them in combat in the fight phase after you shot them

 

Edit: what Hymnblade said.

 

 

Yes I was thinking about that earlier: Fall back in the movement phase, have the army shoot the unit to soften it up, the Devout Push back in... ultimate trolling haha.