A Primaris First Company

[roryokane]

I've been wondering about this for a while.

Given the almost sacred way that Terminator armour is regarded in lots of the lore (the whole "there's a shard of the Emperor's own armour forged into each Crux Terminatus" etc thing), how on earth are chapters which were reinforced with Primaris Marines and now are, it seems, only creating new Primaris Marines, going to keep up the numbers of Terminators they can field? Or, are suits of Terminator Armour going to be gradually consigned to Chapter Reliquaries? I totally see how you can have, for example, Veteran Intercessors instead of, say, Sternguard Veterans, but what will happen to the Terminator suits themselves? Given the general reticence to tamper with Old Stuff in the Imperium (even if you could modify it to give it a new lease of life), what will happen to them? The same is true of other non-Primaris kit, like Land Raiders, Rhino-based vehicles, and non-Redemptor Dreadnoughts (seems mad to have Contemptors that have been around since the Heresy sitting unused because they've got no RegularMarines to put in them). I'm thinking more of the Lore than reality (they'll just sell fewer kits). Apologies if this has been asked before.

[Panzer]

There are plenty of relics in the armoury of chapters that never really get used, so in case a chapter has some terminator armour but nobody to wear it it would simply sit there and look pretty.

That being said, so far all the old chapters are still producing regular Marines alongside Primaris.

[Lord_Caerolion]

There’s nothing that says that Primaris can only go in Redemptors, or even that Firstborn can’t go in them, so the Dreadnoughts will just continue as normal, in my opinion.

As for the armour, as Panzer has said it’ll probably just go into the Reclusiam, to sit alongside the Mk1 power armour suits that are never worn anymore.

[calgar101]

Maybe the suits get modified to allow for Primaris to fit in to them? It could be a long time before that is a problem and possibly by that time the Space Marines and wider Imperium aren't so caught up over 'relics'.

[Brother Kraskor]

Lore-wise probably will depend on the Chapter I'd guess. Chapters with more reverence for the past will keep them as relics, more pragmatic chapters will reprocess the materials for production of more Gravis suits.

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

..or we can all just wait for Eleventh Edition, when enough time has passed since the full Primaris range was released that GW will decide to go ahead and start updating all the Firstborn Marine models to truescale Primaris-sized versions. On the upside, no more restrictions about which Marines can get into which vehicles. On the downside, at least one Firstborn collector will probably jump off a bridge.

[Lord_Caerolion]

Hey, at least we're yet to see any tantrums like that dude who melted his Dark Elf army when AoS came out.

[Indomitus]

Calgar had his terminator armor adapted into his new gravis suit, so like crossing the rubicon, maybe everyone else will follow his example in that too. 

[War Angel]

Hey, at least we're yet to see any tantrums like that dude who melted his Dark Elf army when AoS came out.

What?!

[Iron Lord]

Maybe the suits get modified to allow for Primaris to fit in to them? 

 

 

Given  that the Iron Snakes Chapter Master, Seydon, is one metre taller than the regular Iron Snakes battle-brother protagonist in Brothers of the Snake,  and that this was long before the Indomitus Crusade - I can believe both that he wears Terminator Armour,  and that Terminator Armour can hold very big Marines.

[Lord_Caerolion]

I personally take anything from Brothers of the Snake with a grain of salt, given it also had a single squad of Tactical Marines gunning down Dark Eldar by the hundreds. The book seems a bit too... "cinematic".

[Iron Lord]

It does skew toward the  "Marines are very powerful" end of the scale - still, it also captures that Dark Eldar move very fast.

[Dracos]

Until they come out with something officially canon, I would call the Gravis armor my equivalent to the First Company. Honestly I don’t think Primaris would operate in a traditional manner though. The armor they wear is modular and I would assume you would have to train/qualify in that armor set and weapon options. On an ordinary day each marine would wear standard armor unless a specific mission objective required otherwise. Same goes for the Phobos armor.

[Gederas]

Maybe the suits get modified to allow for Primaris to fit in to them?

Given  that the Iron Snakes Chapter Master, Seydon, is one metre taller than the regular Iron Snakes battle-brother protagonist in Brothers of the Snake,  and that this was long before the Indomitus Crusade - I can believe both that he wears Terminator Armour,  and that Terminator Armour can hold very big Marines.

Iirc, it was also mentioned that Tyberos the Red Wake (Chapter Master of the Carcharodons) and Asterion Moloc (Chapter Master of the Minotaurs) are massive by Astartes standards, and they both wear Terminator Armour

 

Additionally, in Graham McNeill's Ultramarines novels it's mentioned Pasanius is so large his armour had to be custom-made from a cannibalized suit of Terminator Armour.

 

So, yeah. I think since Terminator Armour has been shown to be able to be scaled up to fit massive Marines, Primaris in Terminator Armour would make sense by the examples already in-canon

 

Hey, at least we're yet to see any tantrums like that dude who melted his Dark Elf army when AoS came out.

What?!

Yup. That happened

Edited May 18, 2020 by Gederas

[roryokane]

 

Maybe the suits get modified to allow for Primaris to fit in to them?

Given  that the Iron Snakes Chapter Master, Seydon, is one metre taller than the regular Iron Snakes battle-brother protagonist in Brothers of the Snake,  and that this was long before the Indomitus Crusade - I can believe both that he wears Terminator Armour,  and that Terminator Armour can hold very big Marines.

Iirc, it was also mentioned that Tyberos the Red Wake (Chapter Master of the Carcharodons) and Asterion Moloc (Chapter Master of the Minotaurs) are massive by Astartes standards, and they both wear Terminator Armour

 

Additionally, in Graham McNeill's Ultramarines novels it's mentioned Pasanius is so large his armour had to be custom-made from a cannibalized suit of Terminator Armour.

 

So, yeah. I think since Terminator Armour has been shown to be able to be scaled up to fit massive Marines, Primaris in Terminator Armour would make sense by the examples already in-canon

 

Hey, at least we're yet to see any tantrums like that dude who melted his Dark Elf army when AoS came out.

What?!

Yup. That happened

 

I like the idea of Primaris Termies. It would give the suits a new lease of life!

[RikuEru]

Anyone who has built a Repulsor Tank and has built a Land Raider in the past can tell you how eerily similiar some of the plates and details are.

You can really see where the Design Team/Belisarius Cawl took parts of the regular Land Raider (STC file) and built upon them.

I expect in the Long Run we COULD see an Uparmored Version, no turret, but with larger transport capacity, side-weapons - and the old familiar front hatch to make it a Primaris Land Raider.

 

But we don't have a need for that, yet. None of the Primaris Units needs to be transported to the absolute front to bash some heads in - or they have, like Reivers and others, other means to get there.

But once we have dedicated Primaris Elite Close Combat Units (no matter if they are more Veteran Asssault Squads or Primaris Termis in some form), there might be the need fot such a vehicle.

[Dracos]

I think a lot of Chapter's Aggressors would benefit greatly from having a Primaris Raider to assault from

[roryokane]

 

Maybe the suits get modified to allow for Primaris to fit in to them?

Given  that the Iron Snakes Chapter Master, Seydon, is one metre taller than the regular Iron Snakes battle-brother protagonist in Brothers of the Snake,  and that this was long before the Indomitus Crusade - I can believe both that he wears Terminator Armour,  and that Terminator Armour can hold very big Marines.

Iirc, it was also mentioned that Tyberos the Red Wake (Chapter Master of the Carcharodons) and Asterion Moloc (Chapter Master of the Minotaurs) are massive by Astartes standards, and they both wear Terminator Armour

 

Additionally, in Graham McNeill's Ultramarines novels it's mentioned Pasanius is so large his armour had to be custom-made from a cannibalized suit of Terminator Armour.

 

So, yeah. I think since Terminator Armour has been shown to be able to be scaled up to fit massive Marines, Primaris in Terminator Armour would make sense by the examples already in-canon

 

Hey, at least we're yet to see any tantrums like that dude who melted his Dark Elf army when AoS came out.

What?!

Yup. That happened

 

I was also aware of Pausanius' armour, so it wouldn't be without precedent, though if memory serves the suit in question was described as being otherwise damaged beyond repair, so it's not quite the same as modifying functional suits of armour. But I take your broad point, and those of people above pointing out Chapter Masters like Tyberos and Asterion Moloc being big even for Terminators, and of course the modification of the Armour of Antilochus (again, it's a pretty unique Termie suit already!). It was just an interesting thought, given the fact that Terminators are, lore wise, such a big part of a Chapter's structure from a history and cultural perspective.

Edited May 20, 2020 by roryokane