nusphigor Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 (edited) Hello brothers! I have been thinking of getting some primaris marines but for fluff reasons i don't want them in my Imperial Fists army, and all the other primogenitor chapters look awful to me, so i wanted to ask you guys what are your views on this kind of marines within the Black Templar chapter.What do you think of their integration into the chapter?What are your thoughts on their deployment on the battlefield?How would you play an army that uses their units? May the hand of the Primarch-Primogenitor guide your way Edited May 22, 2020 by nusphigor Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364031-primaris-and-the-black-templars/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 Well met brother, I have just embarked on a Primaris crusade myself (with some Terminators sprinkled in mind!). I think BT would take any advantage they can get, including Primaris. Doesn't make them fully paid-up members of the Codex club, they can employ them in their own way - getting up close and personal, but plenty of shooting on the way in. In terms of battlefield usage the sky's the limit really, I've just gone with the models I like - provided you are unafraid of letting them knock some heads together in combat, pretty much anything goes! Crovan 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364031-primaris-and-the-black-templars/#findComment-5525370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
painting.for.my.sanity Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 (edited) I've got a (very nearly) Primaris-only crusade. I think that as M42 wears on, the Templars would use them more and more. Due to current availability of models, my army is still fairly shooty, but I think it's got a good bit of Templar flavour - lots of auto bolt rifle Intercessors, a few Dreadnoughts and other vehicles, minimal use of the more sneaky/tacticool units. B&C thread: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/359596-fighting-company-friedrich/ IG feed: https://www.instagram.com/painting.for.my.sanity/ Edited May 22, 2020 by SufficientAnonymity Crovan 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364031-primaris-and-the-black-templars/#findComment-5525378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarshalMittermeier Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 (edited) assuming primaris only: the "core" of the army should imho be a force of Intercessors with auto bolt rifles (the assault 3 version) and Aggressors. staple units. the aggressors can be overbuffed with litany of divine protection and use Emperor's will to have a very solid threat range. then you can pick and choose: -fast alpha strike cc: incursors and invictor tactical warsuits. phobos camptain with crusader's helm. turn 1 assault doctrine charges. -mechanized: repulsors/executioners that handle the antitank while the rest of the army finishes off enemies in cc. -slow advance: moar aggressors, supported by eliminators/suppressors/hellblasters. Edited May 22, 2020 by MarshalMittermeier Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364031-primaris-and-the-black-templars/#findComment-5525397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 (edited) there are a few combinations which are really good. whichseeker ammo (relic) + Primaris characters Frontline commander(WL-Trait) with Aggressors + emperors will (stratagem) Repulsor Executioner with Aurelian shroud (relic) and divine protection (litany) will give you a very very though Shooty unit Reroll charges(chapter tactic) + Invictors Dreadknought with 5++ (litany divine protection) + the core stratagem. and of corse: Impulsor with a hammer-intercessors + devot push (stratagem) Edited May 22, 2020 by Medjugorje Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364031-primaris-and-the-black-templars/#findComment-5525432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 t Repulsor Executioner with Aurelian shroud (relic) and divine protection (litany) will give you a very very though Shooty unit Dreadknought with 5++ (litany divine protection) + the core stratagem. Didn't realise the Litany works on vehicles! Very cheeky. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364031-primaris-and-the-black-templars/#findComment-5525440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hymnblade Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 Templars have no issues accepting Primaris lore-wise, although stealthy Vanguard marines aren't a great fit for the chapter that once refused to field artillery because it was dishonorable to shoot a foe who can't see you. Mechanically, the total lack of decent Primaris CC units is a disappointment, but we can get good use out of most Primaris stuff on the tabletop. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364031-primaris-and-the-black-templars/#findComment-5525540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 While I largely agree in principle, I also would like to give a reminder that in the 4th edition Templar codex, Sword brethren veteran squads could be upgraded to infiltrate on the battlefield. I think most things (except for witches, pfteeh!), even vanguard can be made to fit in a Templar context. Some things obviously fit better than others though. Crovan and Link2edition 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364031-primaris-and-the-black-templars/#findComment-5525602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 and in game primaris still have that many attacks a crusader squad have. Crovan 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364031-primaris-and-the-black-templars/#findComment-5525630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crovan Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Well met brother, I have just embarked on a Primaris crusade myself (with some Terminators sprinkled in mind!). I think BT would take any advantage they can get, including Primaris. Doesn't make them fully paid-up members of the Codex club, they can employ them in their own way - getting up close and personal, but plenty of shooting on the way in. In terms of battlefield usage the sky's the limit really, I've just gone with the models I like - provided you are unafraid of letting them knock some heads together in combat, pretty much anything goes! When I first picked up my Templars again last year, I had been away from the game for a long time, so was initially resistant to incorporating Primaris. It took awhile for me to realize I was coming up with fluff justifications because I was letting my inner grumpy grognard show. Now, I'm more in line with your thinking. Having bolter-armed Primaris isn't even that big of a deal, fluff-wise. In the 4e codex, there's a little sidebar going on about how the Holy Bolter is the most perfect weapon, etc. etc. I do wonder how well bringing in the Unnumbered Sons would go (could be a fun bit of fanfic to write), but raising new Primaris or crossing the Rubicon should be no problem, imo. While I largely agree in principle, I also would like to give a reminder that in the 4th edition Templar codex, Sword brethren veteran squads could be upgraded to infiltrate on the battlefield. I think most things (except for witches, pfteeh!), even vanguard can be made to fit in a Templar context. Some things obviously fit better than others though. Agreed here, as well. I've seen a few references to the Templars eschewing indirect fire weapons, but I can't recall what (if any) official source they come from. If someone knows offhand, I'd like to look at it. I do know we didn't get Whirlwinds back in the day, so maybe it's in the 4e book somewhere. As far as the Vanguard marines go, I got some because I like most of the models (looking at you, Suppressors), but was torn about integrating them because sneaking about felt un-Templar to me. I still may do them up as Celestial Lions, but I am backing off of that assessment. For me, it all goes back to a couple of things. The Marshals of the crusades, zealous fellas that they are, are still Astartes commanders with centuries of battle experience, so are not going to eschew a superior tactic that complements their style. Plus, especially in the case of Incursors, that sneaking about is actually just a really good means of getting to grips with the enemy and opening breaches in the line so your chainsword-wielding brothers can pour in. In game terms, being able to get a turn 1 charge off fairly reliably with a unit that has a decent combat bonus for chewing up chaff units seems pretty good. Eliminators are a tougher sell, because Templars with sniper rifles still feels a little weird to me, but maybe I'll come around on that as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364031-primaris-and-the-black-templars/#findComment-5525763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link2edition Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 I use Vanguard extensively in my force. Its a lot easier to get charges off when you start 9 inches away.And Gentlemen, while artillery may be dishonorable due be being an unseen foe, my army is only unseen on the approach, I am sure they will be seen while they are beating the enemy to death in CC.Codex wise, there is a blurb about the Templar being fans of the heavier primaris units. The larger suits allowed them to dual wield flamers and burn twice as many witches at once. Marshal Laeroth 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364031-primaris-and-the-black-templars/#findComment-5525791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Eliminators are a tougher sell, because Templars with sniper rifles still feels a little weird to me, but maybe I'll come around on that as well. This is why any I get will be set up with Las Fusils - slaying of characters must be done up close and personal, but I doubt BT would be above the glorious destruction of enemy armour with something that isn't a chainsword. Sword Brother Adelard and Crovan 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364031-primaris-and-the-black-templars/#findComment-5525885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Carpenter Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Agreed here, as well. I've seen a few references to the Templars eschewing indirect fire weapons, but I can't recall what (if any) official source they come from. If someone knows offhand, I'd like to look at it. I do know we didn't get Whirlwinds back in the day, so maybe it's in the 4e book somewhere. It was in codex Armagheddon. I know because I had just started with 40K and settled on BT for my chapter (still as codex compliant mind you) and I had just painted a devastaror squad and whirlwind, only to see that in the codex they were not allowed for us anymore. It didn't stop me and I had great fun with 15 man squads (lots of attrition space) with a plasma cannon tearing though squads of chaos termies (no invulnerable saves at that time on termies!). Crovan 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364031-primaris-and-the-black-templars/#findComment-5525967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 And soon enough melee primaris. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364031-primaris-and-the-black-templars/#findComment-5526049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Check the rumor and news threads! Melee Primaris are coming! Finally we can embrace our ways fully! Chainsword unit, Chainswords on bikers!, Heavy melee Primaris, Twohanded executioner sword on Chaplain! Our time is coming! Mmmmm Napalm and Brother Kraskor 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364031-primaris-and-the-black-templars/#findComment-5526093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 (edited) We just need a new upgrade sprue now. Edited May 23, 2020 by Sete Mmmmm Napalm and Medjugorje 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364031-primaris-and-the-black-templars/#findComment-5526101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Those marines look soooooooooooo goooooooooooooood.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364031-primaris-and-the-black-templars/#findComment-5526135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Sad to see that the trailer featuring the new melee marines had the normal boring shade of baby blue. But we can't have everything. Obviously they'll look better once they don the black. Medjugorje 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364031-primaris-and-the-black-templars/#findComment-5526175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtySixNights Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Those new primaris models surely are going to make a lot of those here happy. Medjugorje 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364031-primaris-and-the-black-templars/#findComment-5526213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 I'd be happy to see any Primaris marine in Black Templar colours from GW, I honestly don't think they have a studio BT Primaris army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364031-primaris-and-the-black-templars/#findComment-5526245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schlitzaf Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 (edited) Or they did and tbis js why we haven’t seen it Edited May 23, 2020 by Schlitzaf Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364031-primaris-and-the-black-templars/#findComment-5526250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Guys, guys! Check out warhammer40000.com Scroll down, the space marine is perfect for Templars, crusader style helmet and a tabard! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364031-primaris-and-the-black-templars/#findComment-5526303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 I'm wondering if the the extra symbol hanging from his tabard is crusade icon of some sort. The chaplain with the hour glass also has one. I'm guessing these are part of some sort of larger crusade with the sisters etc, and is what they've been going on about Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364031-primaris-and-the-black-templars/#findComment-5526366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 I'd be happy to see any Primaris marine in Black Templar colours from GW, I honestly don't think they have a studio BT Primaris army. Im sure they dont. Even for the faith and fury and previous codex, same half dozen units lmao. Sword Brother Adelard 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364031-primaris-and-the-black-templars/#findComment-5526375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmmmm Napalm Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 I'm wondering if the the extra symbol hanging from his tabard is crusade icon of some sort. The chaplain with the hour glass also has one. I'm guessing these are part of some sort of larger crusade with the sisters etc, and is what they've been going on about The same symbol is on the left vambrace of the Assault Intercessor. I think that it might be the symbol of this Primaris "wave", like how the Vanguard have the Skull & Crossbones/Daggers in lieu of the standard Aquila. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364031-primaris-and-the-black-templars/#findComment-5526562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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