Captain Coolpants Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 (edited) Its strange, I wanted to say that we're not in the book, because we simply cannot take 95% of what is in it... But neither can deathwatch? So that one stumped me a bit lol. What also stumps me, is the fact that they're rolling books into each other at all! I'd have thought they would double down on producing even more codecies/supplements/updates each year, to force us into paying for the App subscription because we'd be "better off" doing that. If you play numerous armies, and they bring out a codex and a supplement plus chapter approved ect each year, you're better off with the subscription really. Edited July 26, 2020 by Captain Coolpants Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364081-9th-edition-implications-for-the-gk/page/13/#findComment-5571516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tyler Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 As an exercise, take the Grey Knights codex and remove everything that duplicates material in Codex: Space Marines. Then, using the rules/structure of Codex: Space Marines as a starting point, examine what would have to be done to make the Grey Knights as we know them (without making them vanilla Space Marines). Could that be done in a 64-page codex supplement that preserves all of the lore, character, rules, and other material that makes the Grey Knights truly unique among the Chapters of the Adeptus Astartes? If that can't be done in a 64-page codex supplement, how many pages would it take? And how different would that codex supplement look compared to a dedicated codex? It is considerably easier to do this for the other Chapters, even the Deathwatch and Space Wolves (the latter of whom I am most concerned about in this transition). Brother Lunkhead 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364081-9th-edition-implications-for-the-gk/page/13/#findComment-5571639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GranMasterAmarillo Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Did anyone notice that in the minitorum field manual the brotherhood champion appears twice? as HQ (90 points) and as elite (95 points) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364081-9th-edition-implications-for-the-gk/page/13/#findComment-5572005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywrath Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 Battlescribe updated to 9th edition points for the GK. Probably in beta, but worth taking a gander. Happy theorycrafting! Captain Coolpants 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364081-9th-edition-implications-for-the-gk/page/13/#findComment-5572202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holier Than Thou Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Just noticed, Gate of Infinity now counts as being set up as reinforcements, meaning it’s affected by Auspex Scan, Chooser of the Slain, Omni Scramblers, etc. That sucks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364081-9th-edition-implications-for-the-gk/page/13/#findComment-5572559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icosiel Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Just noticed, Gate of Infinity now counts as being set up as reinforcements, meaning it’s affected by Auspex Scan, Chooser of the Slain, Omni Scramblers, etc. That sucks. It was that way in 8th, too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364081-9th-edition-implications-for-the-gk/page/13/#findComment-5572689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holier Than Thou Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 No it wasn’t. It was specifically stated that Gate, Da Jump, etc DIDN’T count as reinforcements. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364081-9th-edition-implications-for-the-gk/page/13/#findComment-5572737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvus Fortis Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 They didn't count for purposes of "impossible to do turn 1". They did for interception stratagems, etc. Nothing has changed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364081-9th-edition-implications-for-the-gk/page/13/#findComment-5572989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holier Than Thou Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Apologies. I was sure I’d seen something that said they specifically didn’t count but I can’t find it now so I must have imagined it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364081-9th-edition-implications-for-the-gk/page/13/#findComment-5573029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icosiel Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 My Grey Knights gained quite the reputation at my local club after Ritual of the Damned. I was Auspex Scanned many times by various Space Marines players. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364081-9th-edition-implications-for-the-gk/page/13/#findComment-5574436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeller Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Does the Doomglaive have points still? Psycannon and cleaving arm included? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364081-9th-edition-implications-for-the-gk/page/13/#findComment-5575156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icosiel Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 No, it didn't get points in the Chapter Approved that came alongside 9th edition. Which means it'll probably not show up in the revamped Forge World books. Which isn't really terrible, honestly. The model was expensive and kind of redundant. It didn't do anything that a Ven Dread couldn't do just as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364081-9th-edition-implications-for-the-gk/page/13/#findComment-5575234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywrath Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share Posted July 31, 2020 Is the Vortimer-Redeemer now a legends choice, brothers? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364081-9th-edition-implications-for-the-gk/page/13/#findComment-5575325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 But doomglaives look cool! Lol Its a shame the support isn't there anymore for the model. It seems like such an easy model to fix rules wise, just give it a fixed strength of 8 or 9, and give it more attacks, that with a heavy psycannon is damn cool. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364081-9th-edition-implications-for-the-gk/page/13/#findComment-5575371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywrath Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share Posted July 31, 2020 Casually ignored.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364081-9th-edition-implications-for-the-gk/page/13/#findComment-5575410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gederas Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Is the Vortimer-Redeemer now a legends choice, brothers? It's listed in the Munitorum Field Manual So, no. Skywrath 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364081-9th-edition-implications-for-the-gk/page/13/#findComment-5575415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 No, it didn't get points in the Chapter Approved that came alongside 9th edition. Which means it'll probably not show up in the revamped Forge World books. It won't be in the new Forgeworld books. The model has been out of production for a long time, so it'll go to Legends status. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364081-9th-edition-implications-for-the-gk/page/13/#findComment-5575508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 (edited) So Table Top Tactics just released a grey knights battle report. Although they were speaking generally, and not directly at grey knights. In the first few minutes, they opened up literally saying "all the points are wrong" and that the points we have are literally "just a placeholder". And by the way he said it, really makes it sound like they are very wrong, and not just slightly. So, maybe before we all start commiting to cutting of off falchions and so forth, or buying extra paladins or whatever. Maybe just wait for the actual codex. But saying this, he did replace his normal introduction of his "hammers of titan" to "halberds or warding staves of titan". Could very well be looking too much into it, but that could either be a joke about the current expensive falchions, or could be saying that they will indeed be the better choices. The latter would contradict my prior comment about not cutting off falchions. But I'd definitely wait for the dex. Edited August 1, 2020 by Captain Coolpants Telepatrick 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364081-9th-edition-implications-for-the-gk/page/13/#findComment-5575902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telepatrick Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 (edited) Also watched that batrep, and noticed interesting thing: When Spider started to complain about bad points balance, he also mentioned that GW hired betatesters after all point costs and rules were sealded and finalized. So we can assume that GW using betatesters in perspective, only for future FAQs, erratas and all the stuff, while main products are releasing only being tested by internal quality control Edited August 1, 2020 by Telepatrick Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364081-9th-edition-implications-for-the-gk/page/13/#findComment-5576133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 I really like that Laurence’s list was basically the opposite of an 8e list. No Paladins, and only 2 Characters in the whole army (and neither of them a Brother-Captain). Was cool to see him pilot a different list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364081-9th-edition-implications-for-the-gk/page/13/#findComment-5576527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywrath Posted August 5, 2020 Author Share Posted August 5, 2020 Just saw the data-sheet on the Warhammer app for anything that has a sword, and now it's flat 3 damage? About 95% certain they meant to say D3, but just double-checking that point? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364081-9th-edition-implications-for-the-gk/page/13/#findComment-5578287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Definitely just gw typical quality control. There has been no update in the faq or whatever to say this. Skywrath 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364081-9th-edition-implications-for-the-gk/page/13/#findComment-5578294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 (edited) So unless its fake. Those ugly little data sheets that are coming in model boxes now, have confirmed that regular marine terminators will be going to 3 wounds. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365814-terminators-have-3-wounds-now/?do=findComment&comment=5581819 I wonder what that means for paladins? Also regular power swords being +1 strength. Interesting to see what happens to nemesis weapons. Edited August 10, 2020 by Captain Coolpants Valerian 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364081-9th-edition-implications-for-the-gk/page/13/#findComment-5581821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Yeah, in addition to the new Core Rules engine, 9e is bringing quite a lot of weapons and unit rebalancing. We've been talking about it over in the SW forums quite a bit. Less here, since, so far, most of it hasn't impacted Grey Knights, but there is a possibility that the changes to base Terminator stats will. Definitely we should see some weapon profile changes, too, as Multi-meltas, Power Swords, Power Fists, Heavy Flamers, and many other weapons have had significant changes from 8e to the 9e leaks. This makes sense, too, as a lot of the playtesters kept saying that we still didn't have the "Complete picture," even after the rules for 9e were out. Now we know why we didn't have the full picture, as there are going to be a ton of changes to various weapons, equipment, and even unit profiles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364081-9th-edition-implications-for-the-gk/page/13/#findComment-5582153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywrath Posted August 11, 2020 Author Share Posted August 11, 2020 If the leak is true, the questions I would ask is whether this applies to the GK, and if the first was true, then Paladins would be dead. Even more of a reason to take terminators over strikes now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364081-9th-edition-implications-for-the-gk/page/13/#findComment-5582226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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