Captain Antargo Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 I'm thinking of starting DW, but mainly focused on Phobos units, would this work? Could you please share any ideas, suggestions or tactics you may know, many thanks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364108-would-dw-phobos-work/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irbis Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 Let me be perfectly honest with you - thanks to incompetent rule writers, the only Phobos unit in DW are Reivers. That's all. Yes, we're puzzled why stuff perfectly suited to DW and using the same way of fighting is unavailable too. So far, no one managed to produce any sane explanation, even lame pad excuses fall flat given the DW pads working perfectly and all the official art/studio models of DW Phobos units released right at the start of 8th edition. So, you have three options - either buy the Phobos models and count them as something else for the time being (Intercessors?), wait hoping new DW codex corrects this inanity, or build small core of other DW units for now and see about adding Phobos later. Or, if you have good friends who won't complain about color schemes, simply model DW Phobos units but use Ultramarines or Raven Guard rules. They can replicate most of what DW can do, on top of having full Phobos access, and ton of special rules and stratagems of their own. Sorry Captain Antargo, ashc, BLACK BLΠFLY and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364108-would-dw-phobos-work/#findComment-5527809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moostick Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 Yep, no Phobos for Deathwatch. As sad as it'd be, with 9th incoming, I actually hope Deathwatch is just folded into Space Marines. I had abandoned DW for over a year now, and it seems they're still not even worth an afterthought. Captain Antargo 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364108-would-dw-phobos-work/#findComment-5528129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syward Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Hopefully a new DW codex will provide us with the rest of the Primaris range to utilize. I'm using Phobos models to counts as my Veteran Squads along side my Inter-gressor squds. I also converted a Primaris Captain to be a counts as Watch Master. And converted some Librarians to use too. My entire DW army is using Primaris models (Except the Venerable Dreadnoughts & the 2x Land Raider Helios) just doing counts as for them. Captain Antargo 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364108-would-dw-phobos-work/#findComment-5529590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Eisenhorn Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Let Primaris ride in a Blackstar while we're at it. Captain Antargo and Syward 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364108-would-dw-phobos-work/#findComment-5529746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syward Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 (edited) Let Primaris ride in a Blackstar while we're at it. If Primaris could ride in a Blackstar I'd buy 3 of them no questions asked! (My "Veterans" already arrive via Drop Pod) Edited May 26, 2020 by Syward Inquisitor Eisenhorn 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364108-would-dw-phobos-work/#findComment-5529891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Eisenhorn Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Let Primaris ride in a Blackstar while we're at it. If Primaris could ride in a Blackstar I'd buy 3 of them no questions asked! (My "Veterans" already arrive via Drop Pod) I have one and my Primaris ride in it just fine... Syward and Captain Antargo 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364108-would-dw-phobos-work/#findComment-5530098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syward Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Let Primaris ride in a Blackstar while we're at it. If Primaris could ride in a Blackstar I'd buy 3 of them no questions asked! (My "Veterans" already arrive via Drop Pod) I have one and my Primaris ride in it just fine... Fair point, my counts as models could use it, but they already have sweet drop pod rides. :) Captain Antargo 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364108-would-dw-phobos-work/#findComment-5530500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_morff Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 I thought Phobos had been FAQ'd in to Deathwatch. I'll have to go back and look. However, couldn't you take them as a regular SM unit as part of your detachment as they still have Imperium keywords or am I getting that all wrong? Primaris in Blackstars would be fantastic... I have three in my army, and set one up empty next to my small Primaris unit to represent them already having disembarked. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364108-would-dw-phobos-work/#findComment-5534406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Antargo Posted June 3, 2020 Author Share Posted June 3, 2020 If they were going to add Primaris to DW, the Blackstar would have to be replaced with a Primarisified version. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364108-would-dw-phobos-work/#findComment-5534408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mobius0288 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 I thought Phobos had been FAQ'd in to Deathwatch. I'll have to go back and look. However, couldn't you take them as a regular SM unit as part of your detachment as they still have Imperium keywords or am I getting that all wrong? No, they weren't FAQ'd into Deathwatch. There were FAQs about Reivers in Deathwatch getting the phobos keyword, but the Vanguard units themselves were not added in. Yes you can create another space marine detachment, chapter of choice, and fill them with Vanguard marines to your heart's content. No you cannot have imperium detachments, at least in matched play you cannot. You would have to take 2 separate detachments (one Deathwatch, one Space Marines) in a single battle forged army. Which further limits their ability to interact via stratagems, auras, etc... If they were going to add Primaris to DW, the Blackstar would have to be replaced with a Primarisified version. Not entirely true, as we currently have primaris options available to us. If you mean the Vanguard (phobos) marines, than you should understand that those are unrelated to whether they design a Primaris Blackstar version or not. Also the Tactical Marines and Veterans are not going away this edition, so the Blackstar is likely not going to change. Our best bet right now is either they add the impulsor to our list of units in 9th, they actually introduce a new Deathwatch specific transport. My money is on a plastic Thunderhawk being released first. From what I've seen of people asking on social media or sharing email FAQ responses, GW took the stance that having a stratagem to deep strike up to 3 units was good enough for our army. Not saying I completely agree but just wanted to put that out there. Hopefully that changes a little in 9th. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364108-would-dw-phobos-work/#findComment-5534661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Antargo Posted June 3, 2020 Author Share Posted June 3, 2020 It would be a very tight fir for the primaris then. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364108-would-dw-phobos-work/#findComment-5534668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyadventurer Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 [...] My money is on a plastic Thunderhawk being released first.[...] But we still wouldn't get access to that either :P Moostick and HighMarshalAmp 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364108-would-dw-phobos-work/#findComment-5534782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syward Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 I don't know why they just don't add the Primaris keyword to transports and flyers. I'd love it if my Primaris could ride in my Land Raiders, or use my Drop Pods or the Black Star. Doesn't make sense why they don't. (unless they're planning Primaris versions of the models and they want players to purchase them that is) Xisor 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364108-would-dw-phobos-work/#findComment-5535280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Eisenhorn Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Blackstar is only a few years old. I get them wanting to upgrade/replace rhinos etc. when the sprues are ancient and were too small to begin with. The Blackstar would be fine carrying Primaris, in my head-cannon, at least. Hopefully when the full compliment of Phobos is available to Deathwatch it will be amended. Syward 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364108-would-dw-phobos-work/#findComment-5535363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xisor Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Doesn't the blackstar carry bikes and terminators and assault marines? The justification for it not carrying Primaris is literally just £$€. Nothing more, nothing less. Hell, even Rhinos isn't really excusable. But come on, bikes. Inquisitor Eisenhorn 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364108-would-dw-phobos-work/#findComment-5535535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Antargo Posted June 4, 2020 Author Share Posted June 4, 2020 Primaris bikers are coming out, so they wouldn't fit at all! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364108-would-dw-phobos-work/#findComment-5535542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xisor Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Primaris bikers are coming out, so they wouldn't fit at all! I wonder how many Blackstars a Primaris bike can carry... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364108-would-dw-phobos-work/#findComment-5535544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Antargo Posted June 5, 2020 Author Share Posted June 5, 2020 Do you mean how many Primaris bikes a Blackstar can carry?... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364108-would-dw-phobos-work/#findComment-5535774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xisor Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 Do you mean how many Primaris bikes a Blackstar can carry?... Well, no. If they're so big they can't fit in, maybe Blackstars are in an exaggerated scale, and Primaris are understated. So a Primaris on a Primaris Bike (black and white, no doubt) would be massive, as a Blackstar can't even fit one in off of a bike. So how many Blackstars can a Primaris bike carry? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364108-would-dw-phobos-work/#findComment-5536191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Antargo Posted June 5, 2020 Author Share Posted June 5, 2020 Well... about 1,000. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364108-would-dw-phobos-work/#findComment-5536203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulinus Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 Add a Phobos Infiltrator. The unit prevents reinforcements from arriving within 12 inches of it. Add a Phobos Incursor. The unit may include one haywire mine. Add an Eliminator. The unit may infiltrate. That would be my rule if I was writing them. BLACK BLΠFLY, Syward and Inquisitor Eisenhorn 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364108-would-dw-phobos-work/#findComment-5536317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Sheol Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) Phobos units would be really interesting in DW armies but for modelling issues (left pads moulded with the arms) only Infiltrators and incursors can take DW pads without cutting and filing so i really doubt that DW will get something different from these units However even if DW will get only Incursors and Infiltrators they will be good units for DW armies IMHO Edited June 17, 2020 by Master Sheol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364108-would-dw-phobos-work/#findComment-5543470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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