mertbl Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 If guilliman just became "The Primarch" and all his ultramarine abilities were just "chapter" would the game fall apart? I know the lore and all that, just thinking out loud late at night. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364695-guilliman-as-a-generic-primarch/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjorn Firewalker Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 I doubt the game would fall apart if SOME gamers made Guilliman count as Corax, Dorn, the Khan, the Lion, or Vulkan. If Games Workshop publicly stated Guilliman was a generic Primarch, that WOULD piss off a lot of gamers who view their own Chapters' Primarchs as unique- including Guilliman- and poison the company's relationship with its own customers. (For comparison, try finding sales figures for Marvel Comics' publications in which Jane Foster is Thor, versus those in which Thor is Thor; or in which X-23 is Wolverine, versus those in which Logan is Wolverine. Making a superhero's very identity a generic one which anyone else can assume, diminishes it instead of adding to its value.) BLACK BLΠFLY and Sete 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364695-guilliman-as-a-generic-primarch/#findComment-5547448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 It definitely wouldn't fall apart but I don't think it would be a particularly good approach. The Primarchs all are vastly different from eachother and definitely not all like Guilliman. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364695-guilliman-as-a-generic-primarch/#findComment-5547467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknife Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) It wouldnt fall apart but once you establish something major in the lore then it often isnt a good idea to drastically change something as it risks alienating fans. Edited June 25, 2020 by Subtleknife Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364695-guilliman-as-a-generic-primarch/#findComment-5547493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tychobi Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Gulliman is vanilla enough to work as a stand in. It might be nice to spread the primarch love around. He would be pretty scary in blood angel colors! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364695-guilliman-as-a-generic-primarch/#findComment-5547494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Seems like bad idea . Subtleknife 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364695-guilliman-as-a-generic-primarch/#findComment-5547503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_son_of_Dorn Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 More like there should just be a Vanilla Primarch setting that can be applied to all for adaptability's sake. Go generic or go special. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364695-guilliman-as-a-generic-primarch/#findComment-5547507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Dorn wants a word with ya . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364695-guilliman-as-a-generic-primarch/#findComment-5547512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Nah he is the Primarch of the Ultras, leave it be. As much as I would like to see Dorn, part of the setting background for me was that all the Imperium legendary heroes were dead/missing and only Space Marines chapter masters were the big dudes around. One loyalist primarch is already one too many. My opinion of course. Dracos and Medjugorje 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364695-guilliman-as-a-generic-primarch/#findComment-5547523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjorn Firewalker Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Nah he is the Primarch of the Ultras, leave it be.I agree.One loyalist primarch is already one too many.Two Traitor Primarchs- Magnus and Mortarion- are already in-game, and Games Workshop is undoubtedly preparing to bring in the others- Angron and Fulgrim AT MINIMUM (one for each Chaos God). The Imperium NEEDS something to counter Chaos' numerical advantage in Primarchs- unless Games Workshop pulls something out of its posterior, gives the Imperium a Primarch Killer, and eliminates Lorgar, Perturabo, and maybe even Alpharius/Omegon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364695-guilliman-as-a-generic-primarch/#findComment-5547798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 HH 2.0? No thank you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364695-guilliman-as-a-generic-primarch/#findComment-5547804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucerne Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Nothing of value would be lost, honestly. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364695-guilliman-as-a-generic-primarch/#findComment-5547878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 The Imperium NEEDS something to counter Chaos' numerical advantage in Primarchs- unless Games Workshop pulls something out of its posterior, gives the Imperium a Primarch Killer, and eliminates Lorgar, Perturabo, and maybe even Alpharius/Omegon. Given the Imperium managed to take down Angron during the First War for Armageddon without needing a Primarch of their own, I don't really think this is necessary. "Numerical advantage of Primarchs" has not been an unbeatable advantage in the past, it should not be so now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364695-guilliman-as-a-generic-primarch/#findComment-5548021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) It's not like Magnus and Mortarion are setting the (table top) world on fire and with points getting bumped, pass on vanilla Primarch. I'm sure Corax and Russ would be more than happy to fill the role of Primarch Killer. Edited June 24, 2020 by Dracos Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364695-guilliman-as-a-generic-primarch/#findComment-5548023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Throw more bodies at the problem generally works well for the Imperium; in this case just make sure they are Grey Knights (Angron, Mortarion) or Space Wolves (Magnus). Actually, are there any other modern Imperial organizations that have tackled Primarchs? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364695-guilliman-as-a-generic-primarch/#findComment-5548025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 I want Fulgrim so I can kill him a million times over and over again . Bjorn Firewalker and Dracos 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364695-guilliman-as-a-generic-primarch/#findComment-5548046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 Generic primarch rules would be throwing money away for GW. Demand for more primarchs in 40k is huge, the market has already spoken. Now we simply wait for them. Bjorn Firewalker 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364695-guilliman-as-a-generic-primarch/#findComment-5548141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mertbl Posted June 25, 2020 Author Share Posted June 25, 2020 I only pose the question as I have recently received a guilliman as a gift and dont play ultramarines. I'm working through painting him up as a minotaur, not sure if he will ever see the tabletop anyways. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364695-guilliman-as-a-generic-primarch/#findComment-5548142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjorn Firewalker Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 (edited) I only pose the question as I have recently received a guilliman as a gift and dont play ultramarines. I'm working through painting him up as a minotaur, not sure if he will ever see the tabletop anyways. Easy explanation: Guilliman learned [insert enemy] managed to penetrate the Solar System's defenses via a Webway portal (there's one on Luna, one on Holy Terra, and possibly a Dolmen gate on Mars). As the Minotaurs answer to the High Lords of Terra, and Guilliman is a High Lord, the Primarch takes command of the Chapter to meet this threat. To raise the Minotaurs' morale, he repaints his armor in the Chapter's colors. Edited June 25, 2020 by Bjorn Firewalker mertbl 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364695-guilliman-as-a-generic-primarch/#findComment-5548148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 Nah he is the Primarch of the Ultras, leave it be. As much as I would like to see Dorn, part of the setting background for me was that all the Imperium legendary heroes were dead/missing and only Space Marines chapter masters were the big dudes around. One loyalist primarch is already one too many. My opinion of course. agree but it was always clear that the Lion is alive In general I think GW takes too much from Horus Heresy. They saw that the people like it and want to throw all that stuff into 40k. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364695-guilliman-as-a-generic-primarch/#findComment-5548183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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