Brother Kraskor Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Well met brothers, Looking at the apparent importance of cover in 9e, might we see an increased use for Centurions with their Omniscopes allowing cover to be ignored, whilst also making use of cover themselves for more durability? And, theorising now, might it be possible that in an FAQ or future codex, the Omniscope could also counteract any negative modifiers to hit associated with being in cover? What are your thoughts brothers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364697-9e-and-centurions/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hymnblade Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 With everyone getting access to a version of Outflank via Strategic Reserves, Assault Centurions will be incredibly powerful, just like they already are for White Scars. I'm not sure about the cover rules specifically. More LOS-blocking terrain helps protect the unit, but also makes it difficult to return fire, and with a 4" move you can't maneuver around it very well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364697-9e-and-centurions/#findComment-5547734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riddlesworth Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 It's more that strategic reserves will give them the delivery system they are lacking outside of raven guard and white scars rather than the cover changes. And yet another reason infiltrators are going to be super useful BLACK BLΠFLY and Dracos 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364697-9e-and-centurions/#findComment-5547938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 I expect to see two Infiltrator units in every Marine army, to deny the midboard. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364697-9e-and-centurions/#findComment-5548019 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tychobi Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 Cents are due for a serious points hike. There is no way the balance team has missed this in light of their omnipresence in ravenguard lists. I expect them to get edged out terminator style and be about 10% too expensive for top meta play. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364697-9e-and-centurions/#findComment-5548080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 You don't make a unit cost everyone else more because one Chapter has good synergy with it. Properly CP the cost for that Chapters ability. Something along the lines of the Strategic Reserve CO cost ... but then give RG Cents the MoA rule back BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364697-9e-and-centurions/#findComment-5548110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted June 25, 2020 Author Share Posted June 25, 2020 You don't make a unit cost everyone else more because one Chapter has good synergy with it. Properly CP the cost for that Chapters ability. Something along the lines of the Strategic Reserve CO cost ... but then give RG Cents the MoA rule back I think tychobi's point is that now everyone can have them outflank, the points will go up to reflect that. Will Devastator Centurions see an increase as well? I'd like to think they are expensive enough as is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364697-9e-and-centurions/#findComment-5548180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 I dont see the big difference between 8th and 9th now. I think there will be different concepts of armies but the good units stay the same --> especially for our absolutly OP Cents. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364697-9e-and-centurions/#findComment-5548190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 Devastator Centurions are going to be fierce now they can guarantee getting shots off without paying points, though you lose the ability to shoot first turn as a consequence. Assault Centurions can be very powerful in 9th depending on how things go with the use of Land Raiders. It's a lot of points but Land Raiders are going to be tough to kill now before getting up the table at least for one turn, unleashing firepower once they expose themselves. So if Assault Centurions can get up the table turn 1 reliably then yes I reckon they'll be great. :) BLACK BLΠFLY and Brother Kraskor 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364697-9e-and-centurions/#findComment-5549612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewman Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 (edited) I dont see the big difference between 8th and 9th now. I think there will be different concepts of armies but the good units stay the same --> especially for our absolutly OP Cents.Some units are going to get significantly better though. In particular I'm really looking forward to dreads being able to shoot in melee, that's a huge boon to their effectiveness. It's actually been a bit difficult to not include units that I know are about to get more effective in 9th. Edited June 27, 2020 by TheNewman Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364697-9e-and-centurions/#findComment-5549673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted June 28, 2020 Author Share Posted June 28, 2020 (edited) Devastator Centurions are going to be fierce now they can guarantee getting shots off without paying points, though you lose the ability to shoot first turn as a consequence. What do you mean by this? I must've missed a rule preview somewhere. Edit: Oh do you mean by outflanking them? Rather than having them shot off the board turn 1? Edited June 28, 2020 by Brother Kraskor Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364697-9e-and-centurions/#findComment-5549802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 (edited) I do indeed. You don't need to pay points for a Rhino or Drop Pod if you Outflank them, so having options either way is great. Edited June 28, 2020 by Captain Idaho Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364697-9e-and-centurions/#findComment-5549812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 I dont see the big difference between 8th and 9th now. I think there will be different concepts of armies but the good units stay the same --> especially for our absolutly OP Cents.Some units are going to get significantly better though. In particular I'm really looking forward to dreads being able to shoot in melee, that's a huge boon to their effectiveness. It's actually been a bit difficult to not include units that I know are about to get more effective in 9th. of course. Its not like everything stays exactly the same but I dont think that units which used to be OP in 8th will be crap in 9th. Its more like a small change like from C-Tier to B-Tier or S-Tier to A-Tier. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364697-9e-and-centurions/#findComment-5550010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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