Dracos Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Let’s chalk it up to cultural and language barriers which are common with things meant to be humorous by one taken different by the other .... and move on :) BLACK BLŒ FLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364782-eradicators-released-data-sheet/page/4/#findComment-5565389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewman Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Let’s chalk it up to cultural and language barriers which are common with things meant to be humorous by one taken different by the other .... and move on :) I can live with that. So, how 'bout them Eradicators? It's a thread about Eradicators. I honestly don't think they're going to be the meta-defining bogey-men that people are anticipating. They're a lot of firepower into a single target but they can't split fire and I find the Gravis profile to be surprisingly fragile. I was heavy on Aggressors for a while and I found that at 1000 points I generally needed eight of them on the table if I wanted any of them to survive losing the first turn. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364782-eradicators-released-data-sheet/page/4/#findComment-5565460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 It ultimately depends on squad size. A lot of people like to point at the dark imperium wave and then the initial codex, but suppressors have been out for uhhh a year and a half(?) and are still stuck with the easy to build 3; eliminators also stayed at 3 (but got major buffs to compensate). Either the meta is going to provide such good targets that triple eradicators suddenly become a slot efficient choice, or the squad gets increased to become slot efficient. If neither of those happen, then it I can't see them being taken that often. Dracos 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364782-eradicators-released-data-sheet/page/4/#findComment-5565480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandragola Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 I think Eradicators will be well worth bringing. I don’t think they’ll be meta defining though. I need to bring a heavy support choice to unlock my Leviathan and these guys look like the best option. I was watching a batrep earlier with 6 greater daemons facing four knights - mostly gallants. A unit or two of Eradicators would have been awesome there. Neither army of big guys could have easily killed them, especially if they stood behind obscuring terrain. They look pretty decent even if you come up against enemy Primaris. Three of them have a good chance of wiping a 5-man squad if they’re near buffing characters. They delete stuff like aggressors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364782-eradicators-released-data-sheet/page/4/#findComment-5565508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riddlesworth Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 They complete with choices that were staples of 8th edition that despite hefty points increases are still good. 9th edition rules seem have given big boosts to vehicles. Walkers especially. So 6 melta shots coming out of your heavy support slot and spending 1CP to be able to bring them on later in the game is powerful. They're really good. Taking 9 of them and committing the CP to protect them means you have to have big chunks elsewhere in the list that kill screens and chaff. And there are plenty of ,marine units that do that well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364782-eradicators-released-data-sheet/page/4/#findComment-5565509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rik Lightstar Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 They're gonna rock for White Scars, advance and shoot without penalty, don't both putting them in reserve, it's a 30-35 inch threat range turn 1. Rik Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364782-eradicators-released-data-sheet/page/4/#findComment-5565531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 When there is a box set for Supressors I’m sure you’ll be able to take a five man squad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364782-eradicators-released-data-sheet/page/4/#findComment-5565597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 When there is a box set for Supressors I’m sure you’ll be able to take a five man squad. Just like the eliminators? The "wait for the full kit" excuse has been used since shadowspear, but that's a year and a half ago and is pretty stale. How much longer can or should people expect to wait for a unit to get its definitive version of the rules? BLACK BLŒ FLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364782-eradicators-released-data-sheet/page/4/#findComment-5565637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 I forgot about Eliminators that’s is a good point ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364782-eradicators-released-data-sheet/page/4/#findComment-5565645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 I doubt you'll see many Leviathans anymore at the new points ... ouch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364782-eradicators-released-data-sheet/page/4/#findComment-5565658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 (edited) How much longer can or should people expect to wait for a unit to get its definitive version of the rules? It's next edition, as always. Edited July 18, 2020 by Lemondish Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364782-eradicators-released-data-sheet/page/4/#findComment-5565673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandragola Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 I doubt you'll see many Leviathans anymore at the new points ... ouch.They didn’t go up that much and they got far better. In 8th the leviathan was very powerful but always a bit awkward. If you were firing you were often close enough to be tagged, wrapped and made harmless. A vehicle like that was an asset for a horde opponent if they could wrap you on an objective. Now nothing wants to be in melee with a leviathan. It’s gong to massacre anything that tries to pin it. Add to that the advantages it gets from obscuring terrain and moving and shooting. It’s a bit of a monster in my opinion. Dracos, emperorpants, BLACK BLŒ FLY and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364782-eradicators-released-data-sheet/page/4/#findComment-5565687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 I fail to see how two six-shot, S5, Ap1, D1 weapons aren't comparable because one has "bolter" in the name and the other doesn't.Man, I really don't want to have this argument. It was a joke you seem to really not get and trying to explain it over several posts is just an annoying waste of time. So here my last attempt. If you still don't get it you have to live with it. It.Was.Not.About.Having.A.Weapon.With.A.Similar.Profile. It.Was.About.Having.The.Same.Type.Of.Weapon.With.A.Better.Profile. If that's what you were getting at then you went about it in a really confusing way. "Bolter != Gatling" definitely doesn't put that across, especially because the Inceptor's Assault Bolters are Assault like the Burst Cannons while an Onslaught Gatling Cannon is a Heavy. The Gatling Cannon looks like the Burst cannon, but the Assault Bolter is a lot closer to "the.same.type.of.weapon" mechanically So when you joke "boy, can't wait for Marines to have a unit that makes my Burst Cannon-armed Battlesuits look bad" I don't think I'm wrong to joke back "kinda already do". It was only confusing if you completely misunderstood the initial post, which you did big time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364782-eradicators-released-data-sheet/page/4/#findComment-5566693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewman Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 ... So when you joke "boy, can't wait for Marines to have a unit that makes my Burst Cannon-armed Battlesuits look bad" I don't think I'm wrong to joke back "kinda already do". It was only confusing if you completely misunderstood the initial post, which you did big time. Nah, I'm pretty sure I groked it. I just have to stop saying Incursor when I mean Inceptor, otherwise the tongue-in-cheek response doesn't make sense. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364782-eradicators-released-data-sheet/page/4/#findComment-5566849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Whatever floats your boat lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364782-eradicators-released-data-sheet/page/4/#findComment-5566864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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