Heresy is back on the menu!

[Ghorgul]

Nakrid Thole.. I hope him to be some jump pack special guy. I know some people don't like NL being the 'Raptor' legion, but c'mon, none of their special characters come with jump pack currently. That's blasphemy imo, but opinions differ on the matter.

 

Anyway, looking good and hopefully NL get some tweaks or wargear additions. For example Nostraman Chainglaive is pretty expensive considering it's only AP3 while some other (newer) legions get AP2 like soap.

[Brofist]

The format of the TOC makes me feel there might be a digital version too

[Pezza1989]

I really hope sevy gets a update in the new book , he has really fallen off since book 2.

[SkimaskMohawk]

I really hope sevy gets a update in the new book , he has really fallen off since book 2.

You're kidding right? He's one of the best characters in the game; second best astartes duelist, resilient, insane warlord trait, cheap. If I could pick any non-primarch character for any legion, it would be sevatar every time.

[Corswain]

Plus, he is absolutely beautiful! One of the best models in the setting, in my opinion. He's an auto include on that alone for me....... my lists are not very competetive. :)

[Unknown Legionnaire]

Definitely. Sev's the swiss-army knife of Praetor-level characters.

[b1soul]

There were quite a few complaints about Sev's tabletop performance in some of the old threads:

 

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303883-the-conundrum-of-sevatar/

 

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320322-sevatar-a-bit-rubbish/

 

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340977-how-well-does-sigismund-or-sevatar-fare/

 

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341570-character-duels-who-beats-whom-mathammer/

 

Guess it really depends on how you use him? More of a character slayer (other than Sig or the Nemean) than a beatstick?

[Gorgoff]

There were quite a few complaints about Sev's tabletop performance in some of the old threads:

 

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303883-the-conundrum-of-sevatar/

 

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320322-sevatar-a-bit-rubbish/

 

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340977-how-well-does-sigismund-or-sevatar-fare/

 

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341570-character-duels-who-beats-whom-mathammer/

 

Guess it really depends on how you use him? More of a character slayer (other than Sig or the Nemean) than a beatstick?

Most of the time those complains are fueled by lack of gaming experience. ;)

[SkimaskMohawk]

A lot of those were before they buffed his warlord trait. Rulebook master of ambush is the strongest warlord trait, and they added that on top of his pre-existing one. The third is comparing everyone to the most broken of all characters, the on-release Tribune. The fourth is comparing sheer dueling potential across all special characters, also not using precog on sevetar. The first two were also before night lords got +1 to hit from gang-up.

 

So they're far from an accurate analysis of his complete, current rules.

 

You get a great duelist, a fantastic force multiplier and a cheap cost. He doesn't blend, but that's what the rest of the boys are there for.

[dicebod]

I think folks mostly complain because he has a 3+ save.  Although artificer armor barely matters in any character matchup because of the prevalence on AP 1/2 on beatstick characters.

[Canadian_F_H]

Yay! Local Night Lord player is disappointed with leaks so far. DA got a lot (because they needed it) but NL got very little. Rules creep in HH appears to still be a bit of a problem.

 

I'm just happy to see progress.

[SkimaskMohawk]

@dicebod but with precog he'd pass 97% of armour rolls with a 2+ base save lol. That would be terrible design.

 

@canadian_f_h to be fair, night lords need very little rules. They verge at being close to the top in terms of overall strength; most of the raven guard's capacity for alpha strike, tons of melee power and insane turn 1 on-board resiliency. With pretty much no actual drawbacks.

[bluntblade]

Hoping for some better campaign fluff than the previous book. Honestly my favourite stuff from that one was the Scars' initial deployment against Chondax.

[b1soul]

@ dicebod

 

"I think folks mostly complain because he has a 3+ save."

 

That's the most common complaint along with lack of eternal warrior, but I think his precog makes up for both of those

 

EDIT: and people were confusing Prescience and Precognition

[WrathOfTheLion]

I'd love some nice campaign fluff. They should have that filled out well.

The 46 pages for the Dark Angels legion lore is going to be juicy I think. That's 2x or more the amount that any other legion has gotten that I know of.

[Gederas]

I'd love some nice campaign fluff. They should have that filled out well.

 

The 46 pages for the Dark Angels legion lore is going to be juicy I think. That's 2x or more the amount that any other legion has gotten that I know of.

Of course the best Legion gets the best lore section ;)

[Taliesin]

I'd love some nice campaign fluff. They should have that filled out well.

 

The 46 pages for the Dark Angels legion lore is going to be juicy I think. That's 2x or more the amount that any other legion has gotten that I know of.

 

Not the case. There is 34 page lore section for the Ultramarines in Tempest, 30 pages for the Space Wolves and Thousand Sons each in Inferno, and 30 plus pages in Malevolence for the Blood Angels too. 

[Darkwrath121]

 

 

I'd love some nice campaign fluff. They should have that filled out well.

 

The 46 pages for the Dark Angels legion lore is going to be juicy I think. That's 2x or more the amount that any other legion has gotten that I know of.

Not the case. There is 34 page lore section for the Ultramarines in Tempest, 30 pages for the Space Wolves and Thousand Sons each in Inferno, and 30 plus pages in Malevolence for the Blood Angels too.

Looking at Malevolence, the WS and BA lore sections are 40 pages combined, not counting the red intermission pages between them (115-135, 137-157).

 

With 46 pages, I'm intrigued about what FW decided to cram in about the DA. Hopefully a deep dive on each wing and the origins behind it.

Edited August 5, 2020 by Darkwrath121

[WrathOfTheLion]

I don't have Tempest, since it's out of print...

But from book 7, the TS have 30, the SW have 28. From Malevolence, the BA have like 22 pages and the WS 23 I think.

 

So 2x what is in Malevolence, and I guess ony 1.5x what is in Inferno. Still the point stands, that is a quite large section.

Edited August 5, 2020 by WrathOfTheLion

[Slips]

 

 

I'd love some nice campaign fluff. They should have that filled out well.

 

The 46 pages for the Dark Angels legion lore is going to be juicy I think. That's 2x or more the amount that any other legion has gotten that I know of.

Not the case. There is 34 page lore section for the Ultramarines in Tempest, 30 pages for the Space Wolves and Thousand Sons each in Inferno, and 30 plus pages in Malevolence for the Blood Angels too.

Looking at Malevolence, the WS and BA lore sections are 40 pages combined, not counting the red intermission pages between them.

 

With 46 pages, I'm intrigued about what FW decided to cram in about the DA.

 

At a guess:

• One section for each wing and the history behind it and its creation
• Pre-Lion Legion and Campaigns
• Post-Lion Legion and Campaigns
• Likely a section on the Rangdan Xenocides (hopefully, maybe)
• The Dark Age Tech they had access to and some example cases of their use en-masse in campaigns
• Their role during the Terran and Sol System Unification

[Indefragable]

I don’t know if it’s a hope or a suspicion, but I have a feeling part of the DA’s lore will be an examination of the early Legiones Astartes themselves. The I Legion was the prototype and template for all others so it would be cool to see how they were meant to function in a vacuum before the peculiarities of each Primarch/home world/gene seed degradation made its mark.

[Spagunk]

I'm actively avoiding comparing page numbers between book 8 and book 9. There lies anger and agression!

[Gorgoff]

Looking at the table of contents and how it is arranged, I guess we don't see the whole content of the book.

[Marshal Vespasian]

In one of the announcements they talked about new consuls, which would be cool

[Darkwrath121]

I really don't think there's any more to the table of contents than what we see there. It just might look like there's more due to the decision to left-justify (can't remember the actual term) the table of contents for the article. Perhaps to fit the WarCom logo.

 

No reason to hide anything when the book is long printed. Especially when the article calls it the full contents.

Edited August 6, 2020 by Darkwrath121