9th Edition and you! What are you thinking about changing?

[Rune Priest Ridcully]

I'm shelving my Tsons, loosing all our fw options guts my army and honestly considering how bad our codex is, I just don't see the point.

[Tichinde]

hopefully they fix it, or it means we might be getting something in the new codex. but yeah, it's not great.

[BoomWolf]

Are you SURE we lost them and its not just a case of "not bothering to double-book"?

 

Because if I can't play my Xiphons any more, I'm going to be PISSED (even though they got gutted with costing a CP each now. these two blocks of resin costed a LOT

[Umbros]

I'm pretty sure in the new books DG and TS will have the legion keyword. This is them writing with that in mind, not for the present Hopefully.

[Torbenos]

Planning on trying out a full five man Chaos Spawn squad to munch through marines/hordes after a few unfortunate encounters with 30 man ork mobs and massive scarab swarms. With Fated Mutations (I believe that is the name anyway) I feel like they really could be pretty good at eating through the sort. D6+2 attacks each, -2 AP, D2. I am wholly lacking in melee punch with my current lists so figured this might help with that a little bit. Also had a great time making my spawns from Spirit Hosts.

 

[byrd9999]

That is a great idea for using Spirit Hosts instead of the ancient Chaos Spawn models, and they look really cool coming out of space marine bodies. I am stealing that idea!

[Tichinde]

I thought about doing something similar with Rubrics, 

 

here was the test:

 

 

now I'm thinking about how to model "Risen Rubricae" for 9th.

[Montoya]

Planning on trying out a full five man Chaos Spawn squad to munch through marines/hordes after a few unfortunate encounters with 30 man ork mobs and massive scarab swarms. With Fated Mutations (I believe that is the name anyway) I feel like they really could be pretty good at eating through the sort. D6+2 attacks each, -2 AP, D2. I am wholly lacking in melee punch with my current lists so figured this might help with that a little bit. Also had a great time making my spawns from Spirit Hosts.

 

 

 

That is just plain awesome!!! I have a couple of spawn that I kitbashed with various miniatures I had laying about.   But those are SOOOOO cool.     I'm so stealing this idea.  Well done!

[Archaeinox]

pretty salty about losing my 2 contemptors for events not gonna lie. i spent a lot of time painting them and im sure others have as well. I was really excited about the changes to heavy bolters. with the Necrons dominating tables here with their C'tan there's really no point in taking expensive psykers. Either the Ctan get them asap, or you hide them and waste them.

Edited November 5, 2020 by Archaeinox

[WarriorFish]

What has happened to Contemptors?

[Archaeinox]

In the new FW book, <Legion> stuff like contemptors cannot be deathguard or thousand sons. Goonhammer has solid coverage on the matter Edited November 5, 2020 by Archaeinox

[Prot]

It has to be a mess up. I know the DG forum is pretty bitter (understandably) but I can't see it staying this way.

[WarriorFish]

That is curious, seems like a pretty precise kind of mistake but stranger things have happened. I can't see it being anything else as it's not like either Legion has stuff for their own book or something. Mine is a way off for my Sons as I finish the infantry I have but I'd hope this was resolved long before I get to it!

[Dr_Ruminahui]

My understanding is that it came about by putting HERETIC ASTARTES and <LEGION> as faction keywords - which, under the Chaos Space Marines prevents them from making <LEGION> be THOUSAND SUNS or DEATH GUARD.

 

So, in my mind, it seems exactly the kind of mistake that could be easily make by a games designer who perhaps doesn't fully appreciate how the current Chaos Space Marines codex works.

[Irate Khornate]

My understanding is that it came about by putting HERETIC ASTARTES and <LEGION> as faction keywords - which, under the Chaos Space Marines prevents them from making <LEGION> be THOUSAND SUNS or DEATH GUARD.

 

So, in my mind, it seems exactly the kind of mistake that could be easily make by a games designer who perhaps doesn't fully appreciate how the current Chaos Space Marines codex works.

Im not sure if it's irony, coincidence, or just plain negligence since this set of rules was handled by the GW team in regards to that statement. Whole lot of feels bad though.

[WarriorFish]

"Someone who doesn't understand the Chaos codex" is probably the best way of explaining this (and some other things) :P

[byrd9999]

This might be a silly question, but (worst case scenario TSons don't get access to Contemptors), can T-Sons players run them as Helbrutes?

 

I ask because I really want to get the Osiron-pattern FW dreadnought for my army, but I won't if I can't use it for anything (Dread or helbrute).

[WarriorFish]

They're a fair bit taller than Helbrutes/Dreadnoughts, almost half again if standing about upright but I don't think it'll be a problem for most. I'd wait to be on the safe side this is something that should theoretically be corrected soon.

[Tichinde]

This might be a silly question, but (worst case scenario TSons don't get access to Contemptors), can T-Sons players run them as Helbrutes?

 

I ask because I really want to get the Osiron-pattern FW dreadnought for my army, but I won't if I can't use it for anything (Dread or helbrute).

 

this was my plan, and I just finished my Osiron!

[Archaeinox]

tbh if someone is letting you run a TS contemptor as a helbrute, they'll prob be ok letting you apply TS legion to a contemptor, know what i mean

Edited November 6, 2020 by Archaeinox

[Tichinde]

looks like contemptors are back on the menu boys (along with some other interesting signs and portents for the future direction of the Thousand Sons):

 

FAQ:

 

THE <LEGION> KEYWORD
Every unit in this section is drawn from a Legion or Renegade Chapter. For simplicity, these are both referred to as Legions, even though in truth Renegade Chapters have a different genesis.

Sometimes a datasheet will tell you which Legion that unit is drawn from; otherwise it will have the <Legion> keyword. This is a keyword that you can select for yourself, following the guidance and restrictions detailed in Codex: Chaos Space Marines.

 

IMPERIAL ARMOUR COMPENDIUM UNITS IN DEATH
GUARD AND THOUSAND SONS ARMIES

Many units described in the Imperial Armour Compendium, as well as in this document, can be fielded in Death Guard and Thousand Sons armies even though you cannot normally replace the <Legion> keyword with either Death Guard or Thousand Sons.

Such a unit counts as a Legends unit for all purposes.

• You can choose for any <Legion> Nurgle unit from the Imperial Armour Compendium or from this document to be from the Death Guard Legion (excluding Hellforged Rapier Battery and Chaos Hellwright units). Such units also gain the Bubonic Astartes keyword and can be from one of the seven Plague Companies, and so also gain the <Plague Company> keyword.
• You can choose for any <Legion> Tzeentch unit from the Imperial Armour Compendium or from this document to be from the Thousand Sons Legion (excluding Hellforged Rapier Battery and Chaos Hellwright units). Such units also gain the Arcana Astartes keyword and can be from one of the nine Great Cults, and so also gain the <Great Cult> keyword

[Rune Priest Ridcully]

looks like contemptors are back on the menu boys (along with some other interesting signs and portents for the future direction of the Thousand Sons):

 

FAQ:

 

THE <LEGION> KEYWORD

Every unit in this section is drawn from a Legion or Renegade Chapter. For simplicity, these are both referred to as Legions, even though in truth Renegade Chapters have a different genesis.

Sometimes a datasheet will tell you which Legion that unit is drawn from; otherwise it will have the <Legion> keyword. This is a keyword that you can select for yourself, following the guidance and restrictions detailed in Codex: Chaos Space Marines.

 

IMPERIAL ARMOUR COMPENDIUM UNITS IN DEATH

GUARD AND THOUSAND SONS ARMIES

Many units described in the Imperial Armour Compendium, as well as in this document, can be fielded in Death Guard and Thousand Sons armies even though you cannot normally replace the <Legion> keyword with either Death Guard or Thousand Sons.

Such a unit counts as a Legends unit for all purposes.

• You can choose for any <Legion> Nurgle unit from the Imperial Armour Compendium or from this document to be from the Death Guard Legion (excluding Hellforged Rapier Battery and Chaos Hellwright units). Such units also gain the Bubonic Astartes keyword and can be from one of the seven Plague Companies, and so also gain the <Plague Company> keyword.

• You can choose for any <Legion> Tzeentch unit from the Imperial Armour Compendium or from this document to be from the Thousand Sons Legion (excluding Hellforged Rapier Battery and Chaos Hellwright units). Such units also gain the Arcana Astartes keyword and can be from one of the nine Great Cults, and so also gain the <Great Cult> keyword

And might as well not exist due to being considerd "legends" most events and groups don't allow legends units.

 

As someone who has sunk several hundred pounds into FW units for my TS, I'm pissed but also not sure what to do now as our codex is so bad.

[BrainFireBob]

Legends restriction removed

[The Yncarne]

@RPR: I am in a similar position. I can see at least three options:

 

1. Use whatever GW deigned to give you in "fun games" with open-minded folks
2. Buy for modeling, not game purposes
3. Quit buying FW

They aren't mutually exclusive, but I'm done with FW unless GW includes their models in the codex. My existing models will likely continue to be in deep storage unless I can sell them.

[Archaeinox]

Yeah I've got a 40k event this weekend so no contemptors i guess. big freaking oof.